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"Arris" that is your problem. I worked for Comcast tech support and can guarantee that is your weak link. They are trash devices that cause every Comcast customer grief.

I usually like motorola, but with the required home phone line, I don't know another option.
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Ahhh.. it's the voice/internet combo modem.. do you have voice service with comcast?

Never heard of Merlin off hand.. I may have to look into it tomorrow. The only down side for me, is i'm in the process of moving my whole network over to a pfsense config. Still got a ways to go (physical box that will host pfsense needs to be virtualized before i can get things rolling) If you need any help with tomato etc i've got an asus router (rt-n16 running tomato usb) and comcast, so feel free to PM me... can probably help out one way or another.. thumb.gif

We do have Phone/internet/tv combo, Xfinity triple Bull****. I'll send you a message if you're willing to lend a hand. Much appreciated.
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Merlin is based on official Asus firmware (which is, incidentally based on Tomato). I still prefer Tomato (Shibby mod), though. I'm actually running a router very similar to yours (Asus RT-N66U) with Tomato Shibby. Basically same CPU but no AC chip and only 32MB flash memory instead of 128+2MB. It replaced a Linksys WRT54GL (also running Tomato) which still works like a champ (suprisingly more stable than my RT-N16 which has been converted to WAP). Unfortunately, the WRT54GL couldn't handle 100Mbps internet.

Tomato has real time bandwidth monitoring and highly customizable QoS and bandwidth limiting options. Unfortunately, despite its advanced features, I don't think it'll solve the issue of 30 high consumption devices sharing bandwidth from a single wireless access point. If at all possible, run some wires, connect devices with ethernet ports to a switch, and install additional access points (or routers configured as access points) to some of the rooms in your house.

Hrmmm, so the solution is to buy more routers and make them access points? I gave away my rt 56u to a family member already, I thought it was broken, but apparently not.
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Hrmmm, so the solution is to buy more routers and make them access points? I gave away my rt 56u to a family member already, I thought it was broken, but apparently not.

Best solution is to wire devices. If that doesn't work, using multiple access points helps reduce the bandwidth crunch. I get signal from the main router to my bedroom but I still installed an access point in my bedroom for improved signal and throughput. I do a lot of large file transfer over wifi so the 8-32Mbps I'm getting from the main router (less when others are streaming videos to the iPads or laptops) just ain't cutting it. We live in an apartment so can't run cat5e/6 cables through walls so I just ran them along the edge of rooms and put some cord covers on them when necessary.

Here's how I have my network set-up: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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The RT-N16 is the one I use as access point in my bedroom. I believe I have Tomato RAF on there. All devices that can be wired are connected to one of the ProCurve switches but that's mainly because the RT-N66U was just a drop-in replacement to the WRT54GL which was 10/100 only. Since I had most devices wired, fast wifi has never been necessary until we got smartphones and tablets. Even now, best throughput I get via wifi is just around 64-80Mbps which is still slower than what I get with fast ethernet. rolleyes.gif
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Wiring devices won't be an option, it would take an incredible amount of time to run wires over the walls of the entire house. Would purchasing this new router coming out help in handling more devices? If not I could always return it or use it as a repeater?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320174

Asus AC 68-u

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124505

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post #44 of 49
Been in the same situation as you are a few times with some clients.
Too much stake in WiFi, yet no meaningful way to wire some drops throughout the house.

I think the resounding answer here is to try to wire up as many as you can.... I will mention that at least in my opinion wiring residential homes for a LAN isn't too difficult with a studfinder, flex drill bit, drywall saw, and some fishing wire. smile.gif

But if you absolutely positively cannot run wiring to a dedicated switch then you can try and experiment with powerline adapters if your electrical system supports it? While it wont give you true wired capability it may help "unload" the WiFi traffic and get your speeds back up.

In my opinion, with 30 devices on a wifi network, you'll still be hard pressed to achieve super high transmission speeds, even if you bought an enterprise class device such as a Cisco Aironet AP for example.
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Going for the newest latest and greatest router is useless if none of the devices you are connecting can negotiate that speed, and yet more so if the internet connection they are on isn't faster that the previous version wi-fi. I would just get 2 of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122016 Put one router on each non overlapping channel, 1,6,11, and in different areas. Don't turn up the wireless power if it isn't necessary, the signal can bounce around the house then and make the wireless seem even slower.

I also feel as though the speedtest reading is a little deceiving in that it doesn't do both simultaneously which can give you a higher than normally achievable rate. That isn't to say that it is down right wrong, but if your upload is saturated your download will suffer due to the time it takes for the ack packets to get to you.

The only real unanswered question is what exactly is there. Loads of Apple devices with bombard wireless with pointless questions far more than others. Netflix should usually use about 3Mbps per instance, if everyone were to have 1 instance running you would be at about 18-22Mbps, not even half your bandwidth. Add 20 devices doing general browsing and you could bring that up maybe 3Mbps, add 4 game consoles at 1Mbps. That would bring the total to 28Mbps if everything were screaming. At that throughput over wireless there is no question that a residential grade wireless router would be quivering in its space boots. Just because it signals at 300Mbps doesn't mean that's how fast if can go, if it will only do 2Mpps then you will be sol very long before you get anywhere near that 50Mbps.

So quick summary:

Add more wireless router on different channels to decrease the amount of packet collisions. Don't do wireless bridging because that may exacerbate the issue.
Lower the power on the wireless until it just barely covers the required area, lowering the power may even in some cases increase range because of reduced interference.
You could also add a caching web and dns server so that some of the data never hits the internet thereby effectively increasing your pipe.
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I've tried powerline adapters, yet my electrical did not work with them for some reason. It's a 2 story home, with to many rooms. I guess I could run wires up the walls into the attic and down. I've already fallen through the drywall up there once though...

I could just completely customize QoS limiting each device to certain speeds, specifically cell phones, etc. I'll cap them. Along with setting up another router.
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Capping the devices will help, but even still, you will want at least a 2nd AP to help offload the traffic. You don't even have to buy a router if you are willing to hardwire in access points. You can just use those in multiple points in the house and force devices that are stationary to attach to different APs so that you aren't piping all the traffic through that single AP on the router. Then your roaming devices can just attach to whatever has the stongest signal at the time.
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Literally, within 30 seconds I have people yelling at me from across the house.

I've been in that situation many times. It's precisely the reason I end up staying up so late when making my network changes. No possible way of doing it during the daytime without angering somebody.
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I've been in that situation many times. It's precisely the reason I end up staying up so late when making my network changes. No possible way of doing it during the daytime without angering somebody.

Lol, whenever I need to replace the router, I set up the new router on the laptop first. That way, it's just a quick swap with the old router so downtime is minimized. Even then, I usually try to do the swap when I'm the only one at home. tongue.gif
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