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Poll Results: Stick with current PSU, or invest in new one?

 
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post #1 of 67
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Hey everyone,

Soon I'm going to be adding some more stuff in to my PC and while thinking about it I began questioning if my PSU is going to be up for it.
I currently have a Novatech Powerstation 600W (which is exactly the same as an OCZ Modxstream - so it's a sirtec unit) so I went over to a psu wattage calculator and worked out my system will be drawing about 512W, and that's with my 3570k at 4.5ghz.
Current system set up is in my sig rig if anyone needs to know exactly what's in my system.

The main parts being added to the system is going to be watercooling (among another hard drive and some LEDs etc), so I'm gonna be going for some heavier overclocks which in turn will draw more power.

So I know my current PSU isn't exactly amazing and until now it's done a stellar job, but I don't want to risk anything going wrong because it'll be coming up two years old so I'm also worrying about capacitor aging, so my question is; is my PSU okay, or do I need to invest in a new powersupply? And if so, what would people recommend? I don't have exactly the largest budget, but at the same time I don't want to cheap out on a PSU this time really, nothing more expensive than £90 or so, preferably.
Thanks in advance!
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I would definitely replace it. I have never seen a PSU expert recommend the ModXStream, nor have ever seen one say anything good about it. To make it more interesting, how do we know that the Novatech Powerstation is identical? Is it? Or, is there a review?

 

Anyway, what new things are you adding?

 

With your sig rig as it is, your power consumption will never exceed 350W. Here's proof:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_670_2_and_3way_sli_review,4.html

 

With one GTX 670 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 279W from the wall outlet. So, if their PSU were 85% efficient while pulling 279W from the wall, then that would mean the computer pulled 237W from the PSU. Their CPU was idling and while gaming, your CPU will probably only pull about 100W which results in 337W, or 340W rounded up. Now, 100W would mean that the CPU is under some pretty high and demanding load during a video game, and to get the power draw up to 340W, the video card would have to be completely maxed out at as well. So realistically, your gaming power consumption might even hover around 275-325W.

 

I know that the calculator you used said 512W, but those things are never accurate and they're extremely easy to use incorrectly thereby resulting in very inaccurate calculations.

 

Now, even though this 275-325W falls well within the advertised capacity of your PSU, there's one problem: you're overclocking. You see, overclocking adds stress to the PSU (this isn't a concern of the PSU's wattage capacity at all). So, I would still recommend replacing it with a higher-quality unit that is designed for powering an overclocked gaming rig. Fortunately, your power consumption is so low that a good 450W PSU would be all that you would ever need. Fortunately again, the 450W XFX Pro Series Core Edition is usually at a very good price (usually about £40) and it's a much better PSU than what you have now. It's not modular. Would you prefer a modular PSU?

 

(replacing what you have now with higher quality unit has the slightly possible benefit of enabling you to use a lower core voltage, or to raise the overclock with the same voltage you're using now)

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post #3 of 67
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Thanks for your very in depth reply! I know the powerstation is exactly the same as the modxstream pros because I worked at Novatech for a while and we got to know these things.
Besides the obvious components of a PC, I will have:
Two HDDs, one 5400rpm and one 7200rpm
3 SSDs
One DVD RW
One, maybe two cold cathodes
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I would like a modular powersupply too
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Thanks for your very in depth reply! I know the powerstation is exactly the same as the modxstream pros because I worked at Novatech for a while and we got to know these things.
Besides the obvious components of a PC, I will have:
Two HDDs, one 5400rpm and one 7200rpm
3 SSDs
One DVD RW
One, maybe two cold cathodes
One strip of LEDs
Pcie x1 sound card
Liang D5 Vario
Fan controller
8 case fans
Many USB devices

I would like a modular powersupply too

 

Oh, that's not enough to change the power consumption enough to worry about it. It might change it by a couple dozen watts or so at the most.

 

What store(s) can you order from? The UK stores I know the best are Scan.co.uk, Amazon.co.uk, Overclockers.co.uk, Aria.co.uk, and of course ebuyer (but their PSU selection and prices aren't very good and so I usually don't even look). Although, I don't much like shopping on Amazon because even though they have a PSU department that I can browse, I can often find PSUs that I can't find by just browsing. It's like a broken version of Scan.co.uk or Newegg or some other store with a good site like that.

 

Anyway, if there are other good stores that you can order from, then I'd like to look at those too.

 

Although, I expect that I'll be recommending the 450W SeaSonic G Series.

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post #5 of 67
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Well I certainly wasn't expecting to need a PSU with that low wattage lol, well as long as it has plenty of good length modular cables, I'll take what's recommended.
Your list of UK sites is basically it, Novatech.co.uk is my site of choice because I worked there and I also have a 10% off and free next day delivery voucher for them too, but their choice of power supplies isn't great, but I can always ask them to see if they'll order something in for me.
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Or if you are not in a hurry you could wait for the Cooler Master V450S

But then again have no idea when that will show up in the EU
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Well I certainly wasn't expecting to need a PSU with that low wattage lol, well as long as it has plenty of good length modular cables, I'll take what's recommended.
Your list of UK sites is basically it, Novatech.co.uk is my site of choice because I worked there and I also have a 10% off and free next day delivery voucher for them too, but their choice of power supplies isn't great, but I can always ask them to see if they'll order something in for me.

 

So far, the 450W SeaSonic G Series is "winning". I'm having a hard time finding something better for less. It's usually at about £70. Aria has it for £67.99 inc. VAT, which is the lowest price I can find on it. If you use Google Shopping, then you might even be able to find it for less! If you do decide to look for it in Google Shopping, then look for SeaSonic SSR-450RM, or 450W SeaSonic G Series, or anything like that.

 

So as of right now, that's what I'll recommend! Its cables should be long enough for the Storm Trooper.


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Cool I'll probably get one of those next month when I get paid again *sigh* haha.
What about corsair's new RM series? Do we know if they're any good yet? The cables have a nice finish on them which I like
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Cool I'll probably get one of those next month when I get paid again *sigh* haha.
What about corsair's new RM series? Do we know if they're any good yet? The cables have a nice finish on them which I like

 

Those cables look to me like the same modular cables that they've been using for as long as I can remember (at least since the days of the HX520 and HX620). Lots of other companies are using these cables as well. So, they're nothing new or special. They're just flat and somewhat stiff cables.

 

Anyway, I don't know anything about the RM series, but, Corsair seems to be placing in between the HX and TX series. Visit their site and then mouseover the Products menu. Look at the list of the "Power Supply Units". It goes like this:

 

AX Series

HX Series

RM Series

TX Series

GS Series

CX Series

VS Series

 

That's how I see it too: the CX and the VS are their worst, the GS series isn't bad (per se), and starting with the TX on up, it's truly "enthusiast class".

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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Interesting. I'm not in a massive rush for a PSU so I'll wait around for some reviews of the RM series then decide after that.
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Intel i5 3570k 4.5GHz @1.272v MSI Z77A-GD55 EVGA GTX780Ti ACX 8GB Corsair Vengance LP 
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64GB Crucial M4 x2 RAID0 500GB Seagate Barracuda 2TB Samsung Spinpoint EK Supremacy Plexi CSQ CPU Block 
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EK FC-670GTX Plexi CSQ GPU Block x2 EK XT240 EK X3 250 Res Laing D5 Vario 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 3570k 4.5GHz @1.272v MSI Z77A-GD55 EVGA GTX780Ti ACX 8GB Corsair Vengance LP 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
64GB Crucial M4 x2 RAID0 500GB Seagate Barracuda 2TB Samsung Spinpoint EK Supremacy Plexi CSQ CPU Block 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK FC-670GTX Plexi CSQ GPU Block x2 EK XT240 EK X3 250 Res Laing D5 Vario 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
EK D5 Pump Top Plexi Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 24" BenQ XL2420T CM Quickfire TK MX Browns 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic G Series 600W CM storm trooper Saitek R.A.T 5 Razer Goliathus Control Edition 
AudioAudioOther
Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Schiit Modi/Magni Razer Naga Molten Edition 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i5 3317U 640M 4GB DDR3 128gb crucial m4 
OSMouse
Windows 8 Pro 64bit Razer Naga Molten 
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