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It's reasonable to not be expecting miracles from 20nm (Maxwell) since the smaller the transistor becomes from now on, the harder it is to deviate from default voltages and the quantum mechanical barriers will start showing their teeth more and more. There is an overclockers' urban legend that they can't easily adjust voltages because Intel is going for power savings, but NVIDIA who is not going only for power savings on GPUs has shown that they will also have problems deviating from default voltages on TSMC. We see the reality unfolding year by year, we see 5% improvements and we think it's normal, a few years ago it doubled.
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post #422 of 1055
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Exactly. Efficiency is never as sexy as raw performance. In terms of perception, it just won't seem as impressive as Kepler did, but I expect it to still be very good...

Imagine a 20nm 3000+ cuda cored maxwell Monster biggrin.gif
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Imagine a 20nm 3000+ cuda cored maxwell Monster biggrin.gif

At least twice the cores of a full GK104, then again theres still AMD's 4096 SP 20nm offering with probably a huge memory bus biggrin.gif
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At least twice the cores of a full GK104, then again theres still AMD's 4096 SP 20nm offering with probably a huge memory bus biggrin.gif

And later: 5776 SP's, 5GB and a 640Bit Bus biggrin.gif
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I guess those people pumping Maxwell have already given up on Kepler. tongue.gif Maxwell is ~6 months away, by that time AMD will be on the horizon with Pirate Islands. It also needs to be said that Maxwell could be a huge pile of FAIL. Anyway, AMD has at least a 6 months lead in architecture at this point it would seem with Volcanic Islands depending how maxwell competes.

I know the spinners would like to turn this into a NV is always 6 months ahead instead of 6 months behind but AMD are leading NV here in a big way.
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I guess those people pumping Maxwell have already given up on Kepler. tongue.gif Maxwell is ~6 months away, by that time AMD will be on the horizon with Pirate Islands. It also needs to be said that Maxwell could be a huge pile of FAIL. Anyway, AMD has at least a 6 months lead in architecture at this point it would seem with Volcanic Islands depending how maxwell competes.

I know the spinners would like to turn this into a NV is always 6 months ahead instead of 6 months behind but AMD are leading NV here in a big way.

Um, well that's of course conveniently forgetting all about the absolute no-contest-for-number-one-and-two that Nvidia has had since Titan's launch back in February...
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If Maxwell is a giant leap as some said here, then this Hawaii chip is going/must beat TITAN. Anything fall sort of it will be epic fail, because How it gonna hold up against Maxwell when it cant beat Titan. Pirate island Radeon is not going to come out b4 Maxwell. AMD/Nvidia has been trading blow for no1 GPU chip for years now, I dont see this changing anytime soon.
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Exactly. Efficiency is never as sexy as raw performance. In terms of perception, it just won't seem as impressive as Kepler did, but I expect it to still be very good...

It's sexy as hell when you could have titan performance in a laptop, lol...I agree though. I'd rather have a powerhouse but that probably won't come really until Volta.
 
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I guess those people pumping Maxwell have already given up on Kepler. tongue.gif Maxwell is ~6 months away, by that time AMD will be on the horizon with Pirate Islands. It also needs to be said that Maxwell could be a huge pile of FAIL. Anyway, AMD has at least a 6 months lead in architecture at this point it would seem with Volcanic Islands depending how maxwell competes.

I know the spinners would like to turn this into a NV is always 6 months ahead instead of 6 months behind but AMD are leading NV here in a big way.

How do you figure that? Whatever they are getting ready to announce tomorrow is the same basic architecture as the 7970, which puts it in the same generation as Kepler. I hardly see how releasing an refreshed/updated card months after Nvidia released the Titan and GTX 780 constitutes being 6 months ahead in architecture. I hope the 9970-whatever it is they announce tomorrow gives Titan-level performance for $500, but even if it does it's still basically AMD catching up.
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How do you figure that? Whatever they are getting ready to announce tomorrow is the same basic architecture as the 7970, which puts it in the same generation as Kepler. I hardly see how releasing an refreshed/updated card months after Nvidia released the Titan and GTX 780 constitutes being 6 months ahead in architecture. I hope the 9970-whatever it is they announce tomorrow gives Titan-level performance for $500, but even if it does it's still basically AMD catching up.

I think you will be surprised how different gcn 2.0 will be. Considering die sizes and performance, Amd went from a very similar performing chip at 389mm vs 294mm of gk 104 and now has a ~430mm die compared to a 551mm. Transistor density was on nvidias side as well last gen.
     
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