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[quote name="Usario"

I'm going to be fair for now. More cherry picking and I'll get to some of my own.. tongue.gif[/quote] No need to cherry pick. In 90% of the games the 7970 gets beaten by around 30%.
Edited by Juub - 9/24/13 at 5:23pm
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FC3 is an AMD BIASED game by that definition. Your input here isn't needed if you are just gonna troll. Had nothing to say till that, must have been spending days looking for that spreadsheet.

2010rig isn't a troll, he just has strong convictions against AMD... please don't allow this discussion to devolve into troll accusations
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No need to cherry pick. In 90% of the games the 7970 gets beaten by around 30%.

I just posted a chart showing that on average in TPU's test suite (which is very comprehensive) the 780 comes out to be roughly 20.4% ahead of the 7970GE... and then I get a response consisting of nothing but an unsourced claim that in "90% of all games" (good luck with that) the 7970 gets beaten by 30%, even though, if I'm not mistaken, the 7970 would actually have to BEAT the 780 in those 10% of games for them to affect the average as much as you claim?
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How am I trolling?

Dirt Showdown, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman are all very biased towards AMD. If you think I made up the numbers....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6973/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review/7

I'm simply demonstrating that 3 or 4 games can really skew the results from 24% to 38%.

1440p numbers

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

I think we all can agree certain titles are nvidia biased and amd biased. In this case, thoses titles 2010rig stated are indeed AMD biased.
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For one the GHZ edition isn't the best 7970, that is the GE.

What does this sentence mean? The GE is the GHz Edition, isn't it? Isn't that what GE stands for?
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I made that spreadsheet months ago. rolleyes.gif

All I had to do was take a screenshot of it.

Numbers don't lie, and if you take offense to them, your bias is showing. wink.gif
Then prove it. Apparently you have time. I care little for benches, they rarely show facts. And honestly I could care what the results were, just how poorly you chose what went in what chart. Even you missed the definition when you put FC3 in both.
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I think we all can agree certain titles are nvidia biased and amd biased. In this case, thoses titles 2010rig stated are indeed AMD biased.

Exactly.

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What does this sentence mean? The GE is the GHz Edition, isn't it? Isn't that what GE stands for?

Yep. I think he over-thought what GE stood for. tongue.gif
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Then prove it. Apparently you have time. I care little for benches, they rarely show facts. And honestly I could care what the results were, just how poorly you chose what went in what chart. Even you missed the definition when you put FC3 in both.

I have actually seen that chart posted many, many times. He didn't just "make" it up.
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Then prove it. Apparently you have time. I care little for benches, they rarely show facts. And honestly I could care what the results were, just how poorly you chose what went in what chart. Even you missed the definition when you put FC3 in both.

He's provided all the evidence he needs really.

These aren't synthetic benches or anything, these are legit runs of games. You're seriously implying they aren't indicative of real world-performance, even though they are the definition of real-world performance tests?
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For one the GHZ edition isn't the best 7970, that is the GE. And benchmarks don't always tell the whole story, too many factors ie: boost and such. Not saying the 780 isn't faster but it aint 30%+ faster. It was already stated that Titan is 30-35% faster yet you are stating the same for the 780 that is not equal to the Titan.
It's around 30% faster I said. 25-30% faster. Titan is around 35-40% faster and is agreed to be around 10% faster than the 780. On average 780 is around 28% faster if not a bit more, Titan is around 38% faster if not a bit less.
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He's provided all the evidence he needs really.

These aren't synthetic benches or anything, these are legit runs of games. You're seriously implying they aren't indicative of real world-performance, even though they are the definition of real-world performance tests?
I was trying to get them to do something else rather than spend another few days drudging down the intelligence like they usually do. I mean when was the last time they were actually debating without bias? I get tired of people trying to bring in negativity just because they can. And I highly doubt the findings are indicative. As I said I always get better scores than any bench I have seen.
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It's around 30% faster I said. 25-30% faster. Titan is around 35-40% faster and is agreed to be around 10% faster than the 780. On average 780 is around 28% faster if not a bit more, Titan is around 38% faster if not a bit less.

Titan 38% faster than 7970?

TPU says 27%...



Anandtech says 34%...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled

mind sourcing your claims, or at least be fair and say that you're making calculations based on average overclocks?
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I was trying to get them to do something else rather than spend another few days drudging down the intelligence like they usually do. I mean when was the last time they were actually debating without bias? I get tired of people trying to bring in negativity just because they can. And I highly doubt the findings are indicative. As I said I always get better scores than any bench I have seen.

If the difference between your results and reviewer(s)'s results is significant then you should make a thread in the AMD section and report on it; so far I've seen zero evidence to support any such claim with the exception of a few horrible sites like Tom's.

Most of us have some bias, we just have to filter it out and try to be objective. Some do it better than others. You nor I are in any position to criticize 2010rig for bias in this instance, as we both carry bias that should be obvious to anyone familiar with our posting patterns..
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