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No quantifiable reason for not selling?

Pretty much. I mean you can not like Windows 8, the form factor, and etc...but those are something you can not measure in any way so don't try. The argument of limited amount of apps is a weak argument because what apps I need are going to be different from your needs. They are good bits of hardware no one can really deny that.

Battery life I will admit is a good argument but if the Pro 2 does what is says it can then that reason goes out the door. I'm not saying you have to like it at all but find a reason that makes any other product better. Keep opinions out of it and find a real reason that the Surface or Pro is handicapped and I will mail you a cookie.

I do own iPads (original and a 2), a Xoom, and a Kindle Fire so I am very familiar with all of them. All of them are great so buy what you like.

Edits:Yesterday it was spelling today it is grammar or english as a whole.rolleyes.gif
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Pretty much. I mean you can not like Windows 8, the form factor, and etc...but those are something you can not measure in any way so don't try. The argument of limited amount of apps is a weak argument because what apps I need are going to be different from your needs. They are good bits of hardware no one can really deny that.

you can't quantify the form factor? ok
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I think the reason they don't sell is because MS is way late to the mobile party.

No one has a MS phone but everyone has an iPhone or Android device. People are well invested into these platforms so jumping ship doesn't make sense, especially given the hardware they'd be leaving behind; it's not like current tablets are crap and MS offers a superior solution. And if people are new to tablets, why buy a windows based one when it's nothing like their cellphone? At least for most Apple apps, buy once and get a version for iPhone and iPad.

In other words, there's no good reason to buy a windows tablet. Consider Apple and Amazon, who offer the most popular tablets. Is it any surprise they also offer the most popular media ecosystems/stores as well? Having all those well respected services is huge. MS and really few others can compete there.

Touch cover is a neat idea, but it's expensive. MS office? No one is buying a tablet for that kind of task and if you are, you're the minority. Flip stand? Doesn't work well on laps I've heard, but that's nothing a case can't already do.

So, what incentive or quantifiable reason is there to buy a MS tablet? That said, surface 2 looks like decent hardware in and of itself. I don't see a reason for average consumers to buy one though. I myself will likely get an RT just to tinker with.
Edited by Gigatel - 9/26/13 at 5:20pm
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you can't quantify the form factor? ok

Tell me how you could? The Surface and Surface 2 are tablets while the Pro is a hybrid PC/tablet. I have had someone argue it was too thick...see that isn't a real reason. They are very similar to other products they are competing against. Again I fully respect anyone's reason they would prefer another device. As long as they recognize that their opinion is nothing more than that. I think they are great and I would buy one if I didn't have all the other toys I have laying around here that already do what I need them to do.

As you mentioned earlier yourself if there was a cheaper version with a pen and digitizer you would consider it. I am in the same boat.
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Its just too bad MS didn't have their current offerings 2-3 years ago. The entire landscape would be different right now...
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I think the reason they don't sell is because MS is way late to the mobile party.

No one has a MS phone but everyone has an iPhone or Android device. People are well invested into these platforms so jumping ship doesn't make sense, especially given the hardware they'd be leaving behind; it's not like current tablets are crap and MS offers a superior solution. And if people are new to tablets, why buy a windows based one when it's nothing like their cellphone? At least for most Apple apps, buy once and get a version for iPhone and iPad.

In other words, there's no good reason to buy a windows tablet. Consider Apple and Amazon, who offer the most popular tablets. Is it any surprise they also offer the most popular media ecosystems/stores as well? Having all those well respected services is huge. MS and really few others can compete there.

Touch cover is a neat idea, but it's expensive. MS office? No one is buying a tablet for that kind of task and if you are, you're the minority. Flip stand? Doesn't work well on laps I've heard, but that's nothing a case can't already do.

So, what incentive or quantifiable reason is there to buy a MS tablet?

I bought one because I wanted a tablet.

When I saw that it could also function as a PC when I wanted it to, I chose it over a Nexus 10.

I also like the fact that my tablet/laptop and PC are all of the same ecosystem.

It does what I want a tablet to do (Web browsing/general media consumption) and it does what I want a laptop to do, all while negating any fragmentation of my application ecosystem, as well as having full access to all Windows apps regardless of what computer I'm using.

Also, MS phones are quite big in certain parts of the world and the market share is getting bigger overall at an increasing rate, not smaller.

Just because marketshare numbers are smaller now, doesn't guarantee that's how it will stay.
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I think the reason they don't sell is because MS is way late to the mobile party.

No one has a MS phone but everyone has an iPhone or Android device. People are well invested into these platforms so jumping ship doesn't make sense, especially given the hardware they'd be leaving behind; it's not like current tablets are crap and MS offers a superior solution. And if people are new to tablets, why buy a windows based one when it's nothing like their cellphone? At least for most Apple apps, but once and get a version for iPhone and iPad.

In other words, there's no good reason to buy a windows tablet. Consider Apple and Amazon, who offer the most popular tablets. Is it any surprise they also offer the most popular media ecosystems/stores as well? Having all those well respected services is huge. MS and really few others can compete there.

Touch cover is a neat idea, but it's expensive. MS office? No one is buying a tablet for that kind of task and if you are, you're the minority. Flip stand? Doesn't work well on laps I've heard, but that's nothing a case can't already do.

So, what incentive or quantifiable reason is there to buy a MS tablet?

I agree those are good reasons for you. Myself on the other hand though I am well invested in the MS ecosystem rather than Android or Apple. I and a very fast growing majority of the world are moving to WP8 (India, Russia, and parts of eastern Europe the WP8 devices are outselling iPhones) There are quite a few apps I use on WP8 that will never be on Android or Apple and I readily admit I am a minority in that regard though. But take a look at the things I have and what I do. I have 3 exchange accounts, run 3 instances of Server 2012, Sharepoint, Lync, and a WHS server. Windows makes a lot more sense for me.

Perhaps I should explain what I mean though a little better. There is nothing inherently wrong with the device preventing sales. It is a great device and it is very powerful. There are reasons to chose other platforms but not because it is limited in any way. Does that make more sense? Sounds good in my head but I may not be getting my point across.

Edits: 8 years in college and a dozen publications and my fingers refuse to type what I tell them to.
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I would've gone with a WIndows Phone as well but the hardware is still lacking unfortunately. If they made a WP8 version of the One or S4 though I would've gotten that instead...
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Tell me how you could? The Surface and Surface 2 are tablets while the Pro is a hybrid PC/tablet. I have had someone argue it was too thick...see that isn't a real reason. They are very similar to other products they are competing against. Again I fully respect anyone's reason they would prefer another device. As long as they recognize that their opinion is nothing more than that. I think they are great and I would buy one if I didn't have all the other toys I have laying around here that already do what I need them to do.

Personally I am not a fan of the 10" hybrid form factor, for a notebook I prefer 13.3"+ for a larger Keyboard & trackpad whereas for tablet I prefer it to be less than 5" wide so it can be comfortably held in one hand for portrait mode use(Ebook reader, photo viewing etc). Given the cost of Surface Pro+Touch cover, it is not very hard to acquire a 13.3" ultrabook + 7" tablet for about the same budget.
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I would've gone with a WIndows Phone as well but the hardware is still lacking unfortunately. If they made a WP8 version of the One or S4 though I would've gotten that instead...

If you are that much of a big Windows Phone Fan you should have bought the Lumia 1020 over the S4, not like the hardware difference matters in term of useability or smoothness between the two devices. Only thing you are missing is the 1080p screen but in exchange you get the 41MP Camera which is the best Phone Camera hands down.

Snapdragon 800 based Windows Phone devices(WP8 GDR3 enables Snapdragon 800 support,1080p & Phablet resolutions) are coming soon though. Without WP8 GDR3, a G4/One WP8 version can't be made because WP8 GDR2 only support up to MSM8960 & 4.5" 768p resolution.
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Well that stinks. The 5" 1080p screen was the main reason I got the GS4...
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