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Originally Posted by zooterboy View Post

I would go out on a limb and say ~85% of broadcast TV is just flat out garbage. Sitcoms rehashing the same tired jokes from 40 years ago, stories censored to the point of banality, 1700 copycat cop shows...I could go on and on.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous prospect of censorship...ain't nobody got time for that.

If you want to succeed in TV, you might want to take a look at what AMC is doing, because they literally own TV right now. However, even though I have a subscription that includes AMC, I don't watch their shows on cable. Two reasons: First, I don't want to waste time looking at erectile dysfunction ads, ads for disposable catheters, ads for cars that I will never be able to afford, ads for medications that have longer warnings right in the ad than benefits, ad nauseum. Second, I want to watch the shows when I want to/have time, not when they think I need to see them.

Agree with this 100% and also want to add,

Thing is, that not only is 85% of TV right now is complete garbage, it looks like it just keeps getting worse and worse. If you look up the statistics(to lazy to look up the site again, so feel free to google this), but something along the lines of 70% of all the new TV shows, make it past season 1 and most of them are cut off after the pilot episode. That's because it seems like all the shows are just cheaply written, horribly acted garbage. Watching a 40 minute episode with 20 minutes of ads, to make it in to that 1 hour run, is just stupid. That's 50% of the length of the show. I get the fact that TV shows are expensive and they need money ect, but how about you cut down the quantity of garbage shows you produce and up the quality of the few, and I promise you people will be glued to the TV again. Or give us an option where we can pay more, but get our shows ad free.
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Originally Posted by Abs.exe View Post

So yeah we can't skip ads but you can raise the volume by 7000%.
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Originally Posted by jomama22 View Post

There actually is a law in place about the dynamic range of ad volume on TV. Think it was like 4 years ago or so.
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Not sure if that's a new law that closes the loophole advertisers exploited in the old law to still blast the volume in their ads, but I hope it does. I hate having to constantly adjust the volume on my TV. Only one manufacturer had a normalizer in their sets, and I think it was Magnavox. This is going back 10-15 years already. Not sure if it's still a feature in their models.

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Having worked in the Television News industry for the past 23 years, all I can say is ... most people think this is good news, but they are very short sighted. It takes a ton of money to keep television on the air, and unless TV stations can make money off advertising, you will soon find less and less of them broadcasting, and that will lead to not only less variety, but less ways to get it for free (ie over the air), and you guys who are screaming about having to pay for TV will just end up cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Maybe, but industry is changing, and fight as much as they want, change is coming, and they can't stop it. The harder they push, the more customers they will ultimately alienate, and eventually, their customer base will be hollowed out by the older generations dying off. The younger generations have no interest in subscribing to cable. For instance, many of them would pay for a HBO Go only subscription if it was offered, but HBO isn't budging on this...yet. Cable has to evolve or die. I said this many years ago already, when "intertainment" was in its infancy, the Internet is the new television! It's the new idiot box. I can get whatever I want from it, and if I can get good video quality, there's no need for cable. Salamachaa and Vagrant Storm see the writing on the wall too.

I can't find the article about HBO Go, but in my search, I did find that theysee the change coming.

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Originally Posted by PorkchopExpress View Post

im sooo close to getting rid of cable. feel like im PAYING $90 a month TO WATCH AD'S. i dont know the hierarchy of telecommunications but it seems like a giant turd sandwich monopoly and im taking a big bite.
I've got a good primer for you then. Columbia Journalism Review publishs a list of media company properties every year...and the list of parent companies gets smaller every year.

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This... Let me pay for what I want to watch, not what you want to give me. I love sports but having ESPN and all of the other ABC/Disney crap jacks the prices up so high its stupid.
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Originally Posted by zooterboy View Post

I would go out on a limb and say ~85% of broadcast TV is just flat out garbage. Sitcoms rehashing the same tired jokes from 40 years ago, stories censored to the point of banality, 1700 copycat cop shows...I could go on and on.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous prospect of censorship...ain't nobody got time for that.

If you want to succeed in TV, you might want to take a look at what AMC is doing, because they literally own TV right now. However, even though I have a subscription that includes AMC, I don't watch their shows on cable. Two reasons: First, I don't want to waste time looking at erectile dysfunction ads, ads for disposable catheters, ads for cars that I will never be able to afford, ads for medications that have longer warnings right in the ad than benefits, ad nauseum. Second, I want to watch the shows when I want to/have time, not when they think I need to see them.
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Originally Posted by Vagrant Storm View Post

Any one think that the networks could survive with 50% less commercials but then people had to pay smaller HBO like fees? Like $2.50 a month and you can get a Network of your choice? Would people be interested in that? Though I am not sure what this would do to the over the air signals that like 4% of the US can actually receive without a massive ugly antenna on the roof that makes it look like you are trying to contact your mother ship or something...and cost as much as a couple years of programming.

Really it is the TV provider companies that need to change more than the networks I guess...I don't want 400 channels...I want about eight of them. Let us pay individually for them. I am sure that this would mean that networks like the home shopping network would go out of business...but nothing value will be lost. If people don't want to watch it, then they should be forced to pay for it. And commercials come from the cable provider as much as they do from the networks too. Heh, though wasn't this hopper thing only going to work on the major networks? So I would be able to hop over a commercial if I was watching the BBC or some other cable channel anyway.
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

i understand that. i just don't to pay 2x (ie for internet and cable) and be forced to get all the stupid channels i don't want. if i had a choice i would just be 1-2 channels for $5-10 bucks a month. why should i have to pay $40 for trash i don't want and a service i don't need (cable tv rather than just internet distribution?)

as far as having to use a computer? 90% of the time i'm watching netflix on my laptop. so whoopdeedoo big loss there
You're all talking about a la carte cable, which they passed a law about in Canada not that long ago, making this possible. I'm sure everyone in the industry here in the US is watching how that plays out very closely.

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Some people do not even grasp the difference between cable providers and network television companies. The cable companies, for as evil as they are, are more or less at the mercy of big network juggernauts like Viacom. You wonder why dish did this in the first place, probably in reaction to the obscene increase that cable providers are having to pay the networks to broadcast their channels.

You are more then welcome to setup your own HD receivers. You know, kind of like in the good old days with an antenna. That called skipping the cable provider and streaming direct from the broadcaster. But wait, you want internet and all the convinces that cable brings, hence why you pay the cable company.

And how exactly do you think networks make money? You really think that cable provider deals is anywhere near enough to pay the bills?

These are companies that need to make a profit. You guys sound like a bunch spoiled brats who have no concept of how the world works.

Why dont you go complain to the ad agencies for not paying broadcasters enough which forces them to run 7 minutes of ads per 30min of programming. The buck gets passed guys, that's how it works.
I find it hard to be sympathetic towards either party. The networks make their money from advertising and I'm sure they get a piece of the DVD sales, and the cable companies make a killing on bundling channels and what passes for broadband internet here in the US. I doubt VoIP brings in as much cash, but they must profit from it. They both cling to an obsolete business model.

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These two folks know what it's about.


Secondarily am I the only person offended when I look through at 3am and see nothing but "paid programming" Excuse me I do not pay you to watch a 2 hour advertisement from 3 to 5 am. Some of us are up at that hour.

I also miss the days where a station actually stuck to its roots. History channel? I can't even remember the last time I saw a show on history channel that was an actual history program. Outside of History in the classroom which runs for 30 minutes in the morning.

I do not give a crap about some illiterate guy who doesn't even know the name of the 2nd president of the US cutting down logs in the northwest.. or about a guy hunting alligators.. seems to me that should be on the outdoors channel.


You know why AMC is rocking it right now? They don't run crappy reality TELEVISION!

This idea about paying per channel is much better. I could do without 90% of the channels.
The reason many cable station programs are "critically acclaimed" and "groundbreaking" is because they don't have the strict guidelines regulations that the broadcast networks have. In fact, the networks have complained about this (because cable productions dominate the awards now) and are starting to push the envelope more, but really, the FCC just needs to go back to its original purpose: allocate swaths of the electromagnetic spectrum for communications and issue licenses, not regulate content!

On another note, I am very disappointed with the direction Discovery Networks is going in with their programming. They're slowly changing to mostly reality shows, and I don't give a damn about that crap!
Edited by Pakeo - 9/25/13 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Having worked in the Television News industry for the past 23 years, all I can say is ... most people think this is good news, but they are very short sighted. It takes a ton of money to keep television on the air, and unless TV stations can make money off advertising, you will soon find less and less of them broadcasting, and that will lead to not only less variety, but less ways to get it for free (ie over the air), and you guys who are screaming about having to pay for TV will just end up cutting off your nose to spite your face.

well then its a good thing tv is a dying medium isn't it.
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A friend of mine went to the US and attempted to watch Terminator 2 on TV. He said the film was five hours, three hours of adverts. In other words he watched the film in between ads, there is absolutely no justification for this and it explains why ever fewer people are willing to pay to watch adverts.

The European model is totally different and there are limits on how much space can be wasted on adverts and yet those companies still make millions so what's the excuse other than absolute greed, which is now turning into suicide for the companies in the US? The difference in business model is fascism (not saying the EU isn't a fascist entity, just not as obvious) as US consumers have the choice between terrible company 1, awful company 2 or pure evil 3. Those claiming this is a good model are proponents of a fascist system that's committing suicide.
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Do you people realize the how absolutely huge the budget for a good show is... We're talking hundreds upon hundreds of millions by the time a show of any quality is over. The final season of friends cost over 10million an episode... That's around 200 million dollars for one season of one show.

The good news is that there are giant companys who are willing to pay millions for ads so we don't have to shovel out money for both TV service (which is what you are paying for, your money doesn't go directly to the actual networks...) and to cover the enormous production costs of the networks themselves. If they're were no ads we'd easily have to pay triple what we do just to cover production costs and even more so the networks are actually profitable. Either that or we'd see a massive drop in number of quality TV programs.

They pay that much for a season because they decided to screw themselves over by overpaying actors. This also applies for sports professionals. People that go on TV or run back and forth on a field dont need these massive amounts of money just to appear on it. They dug their own graves.
     
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A friend of mine went to the US and attempted to watch Terminator 2 on TV. He said the film was five hours, three hours of adverts. In other words he watched the film in between ads, there is absolutely no justification for this and it explains why ever fewer people are willing to pay to watch adverts.

The European model is totally different and there are limits on how much space can be wasted on adverts and yet those companies still make millions so what's the excuse other than absolute greed, which is now turning into suicide for the companies in the US? The difference in business model is fascism (not saying the EU isn't a fascist entity, just not as obvious) as US consumers have the choice between terrible company 1, awful company 2 or pure evil 3. Those claiming this is a good model are proponents of a fascist system that's committing suicide.

this, a half hour show is now reduced to 19 minutes because of commercials. and that not counting the 1 minute intro
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This already started over here , they show a 3/4 screen ad in the middle of movies as well as the regular 6 or 7 minute full ad breaks. For the F1 and MotoGP ads they just go to 2 split screens. mad.gif

So true. mad.gif

In other news...

CARRUUUUSEEEL DEPOORTIVOOO!!!

Arsa killo ole ole. tongue.gif
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