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the company that does it first gets either all the fame (if its good) or all the poop (if its bad). this works both ways.

#nothingtoseehere

Amazingly, it's the first time in many years it's not AMD the company that gets bashed to death as if they had killed someone's firstborn child...
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It definitely wasn't clear to you, and unfortunately still isn't smile.gif
7970 can't run PhysX, 770 can, 7970 can't run 3dvision, 770 can wink.gif

7970 has a quite well-established EyeFinity support, can make use of HydraVision desktop arrays, supports TressFX and the upcoming Mantle, tears through F@H, BOINC and BC mining...

PhysX is proprietary and it is used on so few games it's not even funny, and 3DVision? You're forced to buy TN monitors, which puts it out of the scope for someone who requires an IPS for artistic work. Even more niche than PhysX.

Guess you forgot to mention those, wink.gif
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Ermmm....... lachen.gif.A 7970 X-fire user will tell me how PhysX works, how interesting tongue.gif. FYI, it's only 3Dvision that cuts your frame-rate into exact half.

Get off your high horse. That we don't currently run nVIDIA hardware doesn't mean we haven't, or that we don't deal with it in other computers than ours.
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EPIC...!
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It definitely wasn't clear to you, and unfortunately still isn't smile.gif
7970 can't run PhysX, 770 can, 7970 can't run 3dvision, 770 can wink.gif
One man's food is another man's poison, so what isn't eye candy to you, is to me.
Ermmm....... lachen.gif.A 7970 X-fire user will tell me how PhysX works, how interesting tongue.gif. FYI, it's only 3Dvision that cuts your frame-rate into exact half.

i'm an AMD user yes but i have tried physx on other people's nvidia gpus biggrin.gif

makes sense , no ? biggrin.gif
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Amazingly, it's the first time in many years it's not AMD the company that gets bashed to death as if they had killed someone's firstborn child...
7970 has a quite well-established EyeFinity support, can make use of HydraVision desktop arrays, supports TressFX and the upcoming Mantle, tears through F@H, BOINC and BC mining...

PhysX is proprietary and it is used on so few games it's not even funny, and 3DVision? You're forced to buy TN monitors, which puts it out of the scope for someone who requires an IPS for artistic work. Even more niche than PhysX.

Guess you forgot to mention those, wink.gif
Get off your high horse. That we don't currently run nVIDIA hardware doesn't mean we haven't, or that we don't deal with it in other computers than ours.

I think we call that Nvidia Surround over on the green side, and Nvidia GPU's also use TressFX (it just runs better on AMD GPU's due to their direct compute performance), TressFX is like every other setting in a game, it's not AMD specific.

I can't take you guys serious with these replies you guys put out there, just shows you don't know what you are talking about.
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i'm an AMD user yes but i have tried physx on other people's nvidia gpus biggrin.gif

makes sense , no ? biggrin.gif

But stating that PhysX cuts the fps in half is completely wrong though. It does not make that kind of hit on the performance.
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i'm an AMD user yes but i have tried physx on other people's nvidia gpus biggrin.gif

makes sense , no ? biggrin.gif

But stating that PhysX cuts the fps in half is completely wrong though. It does not make that kind of hit on the performance.
it does for Radeon cards.... tongue.gif
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I think we call that Nvidia Surround over on the green side, and Nvidia GPU's also use TressFX (it just runs better on AMD GPU's due to their direct compute performance), TressFX is like every other setting in a game, it's not AMD specific.


Thanks for further proving my point of you 'forgetting to mention' what AMD has.

Can AMD run PhysX? Of course it can. Why doesn't it? Because nVIDIA's API is proprietary and locks out AMD hardware. We still run it off our CPUs, though. And have for many years. Does its performance suck? Balls, but it runs. That's exactly the same reasoning that you used.

AMD also has HD3D, remember?

Havoc's new physics, CryEngine's usage of BeamNG's physics, Frostbite using completely self-bred physics, makes PhysX seem less relevant day after day. After all, developers will be preferring to use physics APIs that are built in, or closely tied to their engines of choice than going with nVidia's proprietary API that, oh la vie, only runs on their hardware.


But, as always, this is my opinion and my forecast of what's to come.
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I can't take you guys serious with these replies you guys put out there, just shows you don't know what you are talking about.

Your extreme hypocrisy doesn't make you look good. I know what I am talking about, and I can provide arguments backing up my thoughts. Do you?
   
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So is it my understanding that Nvidia fanboys are upset because AMD is putting out a rebrand that will be better then their own current 7xx series and AMD 7xxxx still performs well if not better in some instances? Seems like the only thing i have heard Nvidia fan boys talk about is the 780/Titan and half of them talking about it don't own either lol.

AMD all the way in this round for me, dumping the 660Ti very soon.
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Well, I could care less, and I didn't care that NV rebranded their cards. It's a smart move to make. There's no point in spending money in R&D in new cards when the last generation of cards you made will work fine. Do some tweaks here and there, and that's all you need. It's just a business move to maximize profits. The downside is that it turns a blind eye to pre-existing owners of the "same" card, but it's been that way for years. Refreshing your whole lineup is only necessary if your low end graphics card is able to compete with your previous flagship (5770->4870). Since then, we've been seeing refreshes.

The 68x0 was a revision of the 58x0, and the 69x0 were completely new chips. The 78x0 was a revision of the 69x0, but the die shrink and ~200MHz core speed gave it a good lead over the 69x0. The 79x0 were completely new chips. We're just witnessing the same thing this generation.

Well anyways, I'm just worried about the price. NV priced their GTX 780 at $650, and their 770 at $400. They can do that because the 780 uses a titan chip, and the ones below it are refreshes. AMD has two new chips, and both are going to be faster than Titan/780 (well, you have to oc the 290 a bit for titan).

The 7950 is going for around $220-280, and the 7970 is going for around $320 on newegg. I've seen the 7970Ge in the $350-420 ballpark, disregarding the MSI Lightning.

Here's what I'm thinking for the prices:
290x: $600
290: $500
280x: $400
280: $300

Seems logical to me, seeing that the r290 is in between Titan and the 780 performance-wise...barely. I doubt that AMD will just rebadge their chips, though. They're probably going to do the same thing NV did with their cards (do some efficiency tweaks and give it a >5% performance increase).
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Well, I could care less, and I didn't care that NV rebranded their cards. It's a smart move to make. There's no point in spending money in R&D in new cards when the last generation of cards you made will work fine. Do some tweaks here and there, and that's all you need.

We are visibly upset because it doesn't push technology forward as much as we'd like.
   
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GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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