Originally Posted by 2010rig
What fud am I spreading?
I'm just telling you the timeline of events, If it wasn't for the reviews that exposed the issues, the stuttering wouldn't have gotten fixed.
You're implying that NVIDIA users are making stuff up about Microstutter, and driver issues, which is simply false.
I'm not gonna take your word for it that AMD hasn't had these MS issues for years, because you'll always spin things as "AMD drivers are great!"
Here's some interesting reading for ya, may want to see the date of that while you're at it.
It wasn't until Tech Report came along exposing single card MS that it finally got fixed, and it wasn't until PCPER & TR having the tools to properly demonstrate MS in CF, that AMD finally took action to fixing those issues. They are also still
getting fixed for Eyefinity & DX9. If those issues didn't exist before, care to explain this:
Notice the following graphs WITH frame pacing drivers:
It's laughable that you would still argue that these issues did not exist, after so much evidence has been presented for the past year.
If you want to accuse someone of spreading fud, look in the mirror.
You're acting as though AMDs drivers are far worse than nVidia's, which is pure FUD through and through now that the frame pacing driver is out. (And was FUD before Kepler came out and fixed the frame pacing for nVidia)
You're putting words into my mouth and trying to make me look like a fanboy when in reality, I buy what is fastest for me: I ran a GTX 470 before this HD7950 and a GTX 275 before that. I also never said AMD drivers are great, merely that they're equal to nVidia nor did I imply that MS isn't a problem (Just that not everyone can see it which is true, otherwise why do you think it only became a big issue after those reviews came out? A few people noticed it before on both SLI and CFX but plenty of people also noticed the increased FPS without noticing the microstutter either as frame pacing was only put in for nVidia with Kepler yet plenty of people who are now complaining were perfectly happy with SLI GTX 580s or CFX HD5870s) as I've known and heard about it as far back as when Crossfire required an external dongle and the ability to run two high-end GPUs in the same consumer level motherboard was still fairly new after years of AGP...Everyone knows that a faster single GPU is better than two slower GPUs (Why else do you think people buy a Titan instead of getting two HD7950s or GTX 770s? Replace that with two midrange cards against one high-end card for every generation and it's always applied bar the 8800GTX beating the 7950GX2 both in FPS and lack of stutter) and I've even been making recommendations based off of that as far back as when the 8800GT was the card to get, if not further back.
Also, that quote was about driver quality
...If you're going to start saying nVidia's drivers are better in quality than AMDs these days I'm just not even going to bother replying, neither drivers are great and have bugs yet people (Nearly always nVidia owners) still act like nVidia's drivers are better quality. Do you really want me to start digging up screenshots of the texture corruption with the 314 drivers? Or of the nvlddmkm.sys BSODs? Or of the driver that broke fan profiles and caused cards to overheat? Or the other various issues that have occured over the years with nVidia's drivers? Same with AMD as neither company has great drivers despite what words you try to put in my mouth.
Originally Posted by Durquavian
I think his original point there was in fact single GPU not CF/SLI. And in the other post when he mentioned CF he said it wasn't nearly as bad for him as it was being reported. I have said the same thing. Neither of those experiences say it doesn't exist just that the descriptions were not what we experienced. And review sites.. well makes me remember that one APU Hybrid CF review where the writer used 1866 cl13 memory and complained about the fps but never tried the memory at the suggested and already tried 2133 cl10. To this day I wish I had the funds to build an APU rig and test for myself.
I thought it was pretty obvious what I was talking about given that I've maintained the same stance on it for ages now (That single card stutter is barely a problem regardless of brand unless it's a game bug like in FC3 and multi-card stutter is an issue depending on how sensitive you are) but I guess that doesn't paint nVidia in a good enough light for him. I also like that he tries to paint me as an AMD fanboy despite me owning more nVidia cards than AMD. (x1600Pro, 3x HD4890s, HD7850 and HD7950 vs 2x 6800GS, 9600GT, 9800GT, 9800GTX+, G210, GTX 275 and GTX 470)
I'm not a fanboy for AMD or nVidia...I'm simply realistic with driver issues on both sides, the nvlddmkm.sys BSODs are still occuring to some people today. (They originally started around the time of Vista's launch...That's 7 years and being fair, have much reduced in frequency and how many people they effect but still occur nonetheless)
Originally Posted by Forceman
Straight from AMD PR's mouth to our ears.
The fanboys on either side are just plain sad.