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post #721 of 1990
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I think it will be interesting to see how the 290 fares. We know it will be faster than the 770/7970 so apparently it's going to take that 400$ spot in between the 780/290x (assuming the 290x is as the title claims)

the 290 will be the card which would provide awesome value for money. clock for clock R9 290 will be close to R9 290X , just like HD 7950 and HD 7970 (around 5 - 8%). it will cost $400 - $450. $100 - $150 less than R9 290X. this is the card which is the biggest threat to Nvidia. We can expect this chip to have low stock speeds of around 800 - 850 mhz and have a ton of OC headroom with voltage control. with 4 GB VRAM and hardware CF frame pacing this card will be a perfect choice for Eyefinity 1600p and Eyefinity 4k. thumb.gif
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post #722 of 1990
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About Battlefield 3, the link you shared is from 2011, and mid-range cards. Craziness how bad it was on Fermi's mid-range cards, NVIDIA addressed the issue with Hardware frame metering with Kepler.
http://techreport.com/review/23527/review-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-graphics-card/4

See, if there's an issue, I will happily acknowledge it, pretending like it's not there doesn't do anyone any good.

Please don't pretend like AMD fans never point out issues with NVIDIA, if / when they have it, it goes both ways really. I was never implying that NVIDIA doesn't have issues, which they most certainly have had them in the past.

I appreciate your concerns about PcPer, keep in mind that AMD is their #1 advertiser, what are your thoughts on that? wink.gif

I remember taking screenshots of AMD ads along side those articles, when they first appeared. I couldn't imagine what kind of reaction would have taken place if those were NVIDIA ads instead. eek.gif
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

here ignore this . . .

" . . . Anything 306.97 works well for me. Just that for many 306.97 is known as the official last good driver for BF3 . . . I do play some DayZ and Deus Ex and get lower FPS. If I decide to give BF3 a two day break, I just uninstall 306.97 and install 314.07. I have probably installed and reinstalled at least 20 times this week alone lol."

that guy said - lol. to me, that was not funny.
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post #723 of 1990
Not happy about the current rumor from raja or raj that the price will be 649.99. For that price I can grab 780s instead
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post #724 of 1990
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

Not happy about the current rumor from raja or raj that the price will be 649.99. For that price I can grab 780s instead

The only thing I heard was from Kyle at HardOCP - he showed the 599.99 rumored price to Raja at the press event and asked if it was true, and Raja shook his head no.

Of course that doesn't tell us the real price, though.
post #725 of 1990
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What fud am I spreading?

I'm just telling you the timeline of events, If it wasn't for the reviews that exposed the issues, the stuttering wouldn't have gotten fixed.

You're implying that NVIDIA users are making stuff up about Microstutter, and driver issues, which is simply false.

I'm not gonna take your word for it that AMD hasn't had these MS issues for years, because you'll always spin things as "AMD drivers are great!"

Here's some interesting reading for ya, may want to see the date of that while you're at it.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1317582

It wasn't until Tech Report came along exposing single card MS that it finally got fixed, and it wasn't until PCPER & TR having the tools to properly demonstrate MS in CF, that AMD finally took action to fixing those issues. They are also still getting fixed for Eyefinity & DX9. If those issues didn't exist before, care to explain this:

Notice the following graphs WITH frame pacing drivers:

It's laughable that you would still argue that these issues did not exist, after so much evidence has been presented for the past year.

If you want to accuse someone of spreading fud, look in the mirror.

You're acting as though AMDs drivers are far worse than nVidia's, which is pure FUD through and through now that the frame pacing driver is out. (And was FUD before Kepler came out and fixed the frame pacing for nVidia)

You're putting words into my mouth and trying to make me look like a fanboy when in reality, I buy what is fastest for me: I ran a GTX 470 before this HD7950 and a GTX 275 before that. I also never said AMD drivers are great, merely that they're equal to nVidia nor did I imply that MS isn't a problem (Just that not everyone can see it which is true, otherwise why do you think it only became a big issue after those reviews came out? A few people noticed it before on both SLI and CFX but plenty of people also noticed the increased FPS without noticing the microstutter either as frame pacing was only put in for nVidia with Kepler yet plenty of people who are now complaining were perfectly happy with SLI GTX 580s or CFX HD5870s) as I've known and heard about it as far back as when Crossfire required an external dongle and the ability to run two high-end GPUs in the same consumer level motherboard was still fairly new after years of AGP...Everyone knows that a faster single GPU is better than two slower GPUs (Why else do you think people buy a Titan instead of getting two HD7950s or GTX 770s? Replace that with two midrange cards against one high-end card for every generation and it's always applied bar the 8800GTX beating the 7950GX2 both in FPS and lack of stutter) and I've even been making recommendations based off of that as far back as when the 8800GT was the card to get, if not further back.

Also, that quote was about driver quality...If you're going to start saying nVidia's drivers are better in quality than AMDs these days I'm just not even going to bother replying, neither drivers are great and have bugs yet people (Nearly always nVidia owners) still act like nVidia's drivers are better quality. Do you really want me to start digging up screenshots of the texture corruption with the 314 drivers? Or of the nvlddmkm.sys BSODs? Or of the driver that broke fan profiles and caused cards to overheat? Or the other various issues that have occured over the years with nVidia's drivers? Same with AMD as neither company has great drivers despite what words you try to put in my mouth.
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I think his original point there was in fact single GPU not CF/SLI. And in the other post when he mentioned CF he said it wasn't nearly as bad for him as it was being reported. I have said the same thing. Neither of those experiences say it doesn't exist just that the descriptions were not what we experienced. And review sites.. well makes me remember that one APU Hybrid CF review where the writer used 1866 cl13 memory and complained about the fps but never tried the memory at the suggested and already tried 2133 cl10. To this day I wish I had the funds to build an APU rig and test for myself.

I thought it was pretty obvious what I was talking about given that I've maintained the same stance on it for ages now (That single card stutter is barely a problem regardless of brand unless it's a game bug like in FC3 and multi-card stutter is an issue depending on how sensitive you are) but I guess that doesn't paint nVidia in a good enough light for him. I also like that he tries to paint me as an AMD fanboy despite me owning more nVidia cards than AMD. (x1600Pro, 3x HD4890s, HD7850 and HD7950 vs 2x 6800GS, 9600GT, 9800GT, 9800GTX+, G210, GTX 275 and GTX 470)
I'm not a fanboy for AMD or nVidia...I'm simply realistic with driver issues on both sides, the nvlddmkm.sys BSODs are still occuring to some people today. (They originally started around the time of Vista's launch...That's 7 years and being fair, have much reduced in frequency and how many people they effect but still occur nonetheless)
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Straight from AMD PR's mouth to our ears.

The fanboys on either side are just plain sad.
post #726 of 1990
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

The only thing I heard was from Kyle at HardOCP - he showed the 599.99 rumored price to Raja at the press event and asked if it was true, and Raja shook his head no.

Of course that doesn't tell us the real price, though.

Hoping it would be lower... Much lower. 499.99 would be outstanding

290X - 499
290 - 399
280X - 299
280 - 249
270X - 199
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post #727 of 1990
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Sorry bro, but it's not about NVIDIA owners, it's about what has been in reviews, and real world users.

Remember what got Skyrim and other games finally fixed on SINGLE cards? Tech Report reviews.

What got frame pacing drivers finally out? A combination of PcPer & Tech Report reporting on Microstuttering on CF systems.

If it wasn't for these sites, AMD would have never gotten around to fixing the issue, that they acknowledged they "didn't know existed"

I can speak from personal experience that Microstutter has been in place in CF for many years, saw it first hand on a pair of 5870's, and if you like, I can link you to reviews that date back to 2008 when they were speaking out about it on CF 4870's.

You do realize that even when running on 12.11 drivers the HD7XXX cards didn't have any major issues with stutter in a single card configurations right? There were two methods used for recording stutter, one was recording FPS with fraps and the other was using Nvidias own FCAT tool. when using Fraps the HD7K cards reported high stutter rates yet when using Nvidias FCAT and the exact drivers those stutters were reduced to "acceptable" levels. Which method produces more accurate data is still debatable but considering most sites have moved to using FCAT it's fair to assume that one is more trusted among reviewers.

As for micro-stutter you should also know that up until the GTX600 series Nvidia cards had stutter just as bad as the 7K series, you should look at some GTX570 Sli reviews on Techreport.

Given the fact that AMD has a significantly smaller driver team and budget then Nvidia, it shouldn't come as a surprise that they don't have the same resources Nvidia has into looking at every single aspect of their driver performance and bugs and as a result will have afew more issues then they will. There is also the fact that the GTX400, 600 and 700 series are all based on the fermi architecture and Nvidia has had years of experience developing drivers for it while the GCN architecture for the HD7K series is completely new for AMD and required completely new driver code.

You really should give AMD more credit then you do, because with all they have going against them they are still very competitive in the GPU industry.... Having owned an HD4870, GTX460, GTX570, Sli GTX570 and an HD7970 i have had no major issues with drivers from any of these two companies so i really don't get where all these "horror" stories are coming from.
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Hoping it would be lower... Much lower. 499.99 would be outstanding

290X - 499
290 - 399
280X - 299
280 - 249
270X - 199
lol, I'm getting deja-vu of those Quadfire 7970 posting days while reading your recent posts. I sure hope the 290x lives up to your expectations this time thumb.gif
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post #728 of 1990
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You do realize that even when running on 12.11 drivers the HD7XXX cards didn't have any major issues with stutter in a single card configurations right? There were two methods used for recording stutter, one was recording FPS with fraps and the other was using Nvidias own FCAT tool. when using Fraps the HD7K cards reported high stutter rates yet when using Nvidias FCAT and the exact drivers those stutters were reduced to "acceptable" levels. Which method produces more accurate data is still debatable but considering most sites have moved to using FCAT it's fair to assume that one is more trusted among reviewers.

As for micro-stutter you should also know that up until the GTX600 series Nvidia cards had stutter just as bad as the 7K series, you should look at some GTX570 Sli reviews on Techreport.

Given the fact that AMD has a significantly smaller driver team and budget then Nvidia, it shouldn't come as a surprise that they don't have the same resources Nvidia has into looking at every single aspect of their driver performance and bugs and as a result will have afew more issues then they will. There is also the fact that the GTX400, 600 and 700 series are all based on the fermi architecture and Nvidia has had years of experience developing drivers for it while the GCN architecture for the HD7K series is completely new for AMD and required completely new driver code.

You really should give AMD more credit then you do, because with all they have going against them they are still very competitive in the GPU industry.... Having owned an HD4870, GTX460, GTX570, Sli GTX570 and an HD7970 i have had no major issues with drivers from any of these two companies so i really don't get where all these "horror" stories are coming from.
lol, I'm getting deja-vu of those Quadfire 7970 posting days while reading your recent posts. I sure hope the 290x lives up to your expectations this time thumb.gif

That setup was fun except for the crashing in BF3 and the stutter
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Wonder if it'll be available at retail that day, or if it'll be a announce now sell later kind of situation like the 7970.
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