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lol beer analogy being stretched out of its first imposed context. But Im also VERY skeptical about this... however my 250GB HDDs have 238GB of actual space due to limitations of some damn thing or another... I wonder if this would get me any closer to 250GB without destroying anything? Im not retarded enough to try it (plus I hate norton products) so I guess Ill never know.
    
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This supposedly is not compressing data. Plus (WARNING - ANALOGY BREAKING DOWN) beer is mostly water and water is non-compressible
Everything is compressible, you just have to squeeze it hard enough!



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lol beer analogy being stretched out of its first imposed context. But Im also VERY skeptical about this... however my 250GB HDDs have 238GB of actual space due to limitations of some damn thing or another... I wonder if this would get me any closer to 250GB without destroying anything? Im not retarded enough to try it (plus I hate norton products) so I guess Ill never know.
You lose a bit of the drive for it's pagefile, where it stores the addressing to each memory spot. Also know as formatting.
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lol beer analogy being stretched out of its first imposed context. But Im also VERY skeptical about this... however my 250GB HDDs have 238GB of actual space due to limitations of some damn thing or another... I wonder if this would get me any closer to 250GB without destroying anything? Im not retarded enough to try it (plus I hate norton products) so I guess Ill never know.
ROFLMAO

your 250GB HDD reads as 238GB because HDD manufacturers consider 1KB=1000B whereas Windows considers 1KB=1024B so
238GB Windows *(1024MB/GB) * (1024KB/MB) = 249561088KB = 250GB (because the 238 is rounded)
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post #24 of 34
or you could just turn drive compression on and slow down everything for the extra space. Didn't win98 have aprogram called drivespace or something that created a compressed partition for you? Your free space came from compression.
    
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Everything is compressible, you just have to squeeze it hard enough!
Water is not. Since solid water is less dense than liquid water (due to crystal structure) water molecules can never get closer than they are in its liquid state. It is completely non-compressible no matter how much pressure is applied. (technically you can compress it by a few millionths of a percent - but for all intents and purposes it is incompressible)
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Dude have you tried filling up the drive ? Maybe the extra 3GB is just part of the 8GB but is not actually recognised part of the 8GB (does this make any sense ?)
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post #27 of 34
if you fill the drive - just make a simple program to create a few thousand 1MB .txt files - you will get data loss.

**EDIT**
In case it is compression fill it with mp3's. They are so compressed that for all intents and purposes they cannot be zipped further - definitely not by 3/8.
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whoa whoa whoa, first Im not losing anything to pagefile when its a non-OS drive. Secondly, I know there are losses for file structure data. However since 1GB is actually 1024 MB, which is actually 1024 KB per MB, which is again, 1024 bytes per KB, a drive with 268435456000 bytes would be considered a 250GB HDD. So this is actually a case of hard drive manufacturers slapping down a number that looks good on paper but in actual calculations is incorrect. using the 1000 mb/kb methodology, one is rounding off literally hundreds of thousands of bytes... Which is quite annoying when you think about it logically. Although I take solace in the fact that I bought this drive for only 62USD, meaning I paid roughly $3.84 per gigabyte of storage. (these are 16MB cache SATAII drives as well, mind you)

EDIT: while my 160GB HDDs have 164 claimed in windows, which would equate to roughly 176,000,000,000 bytes of 'real' space, it should read in Windows more along the lines of 150GB if WD had used the 1000 mb/kb formula for this drive.
    
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Has anyone else actually tried this or is everyone just talking about what seems logical? Who knows maybe this guy is right.
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The only way I can see this possibly creating more available space is that the NtfsMftZoneReservation setting on the original drive was set to 2, setting aside 25% of the drives capacity for MFT usage, and somehow the process negated the MFT and allowed it to be formatted for general usage.
Yeppers. Have 1-4 as options.

If your drive has mostly large files, and not any or a few duplicates, reducing the MFT size can reduce disk waste from 25% to 10%.

I still compress all data that's not going to be used within a month (setup a partition or folder for that task). Or, use 7-Zip or WinUHA and compress the contents to 1/4 or less it's size. Some of my folders are 8GB in size just for data, after compression it can be 800MB or less. So in essence that 160GB drive has data at least 3x it's size on it.

Everything but programs can be compressed without much performance loss (and another tip: save as .bmp, and use 7-Zip or WinUHA to compress such files. More compression than JPEG or PNG can give, and it's totally lossless).
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