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But I still don't see DirectX being as low level as Mantle. I think DX may be 80% at best of what Mantle is.
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But I still don't see DirectX being as low level as Mantle. I think DX may be 80% at best of what Mantle is.

The reason why directx could be better is because it works on all vendors. So you not limited to amd cards and developers will love that
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The reason why directx could be better is because it works on all vendors. So you not limited to amd cards and developers will love that
Not really. We see how well that has gone so far. Mantle would have the advantage that individual vendors: AMD Nvidia and Intel MUST keep it updated to receive the benefit of performance. DX11 had fallen far enough behind in its time. It isn't nearly as cut and dry as some would like to believe. DX12 will be a fallback just like DX11 is with Mantle now for those it doesn't work with.
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But I still don't see DirectX being as low level as Mantle. I think DX may be 80% at best of what Mantle is.

The reason why directx could be better is because it works on all vendors. So you not limited to amd cards and developers will love that


Mantle is open source so other vendors have option to adopt Mantle to work with theyre hardware so what your saying is BS and not of any use to the conversation. also as Durquavian said it still rely's on the vendors to update it aka add the code for each piece of hardware as does Mantle so it is in no way better or different having DirectX 12 using something similar to Mantle it all rests on the vendors adding hardware specific code for it and also Devs using it in games so it will be in same boat as Mantle is now with short list of support and even shorter list of vendors using it or supporting it.


The whole DX12 low level access is exactly as Mantle is but is just Microsoft crying dont look at Mantle look at us Microsoft DirectX does same thing. The facts are how many will jump onboard with Microsofts version most Devs are fed up with Microsoft and theyre lack of inovation or lack of ability to work with the Devs they have been begging for something like Mantle for 10+ years and only now does Microsoft even raise theyre head and listen put 2 and 2 together they only did so out of fear and fact game Devs and Game engine designers are fastly jumping onboard with Mantle.

I want to also point out many game developers have been looking for other OS's period because many are just flat out upset / fed up with Microsoft and the way they have held market back for many years. Mantle is crossplatform and is designed to work on multiple OS's so again is what Game / Game Engine Developers have been asking for for many years and Microsoft still wants to ignore that other part of theyre request and do Microsoft only DX12 as a knockoff Mantle project.
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Mantle is open source so other vendors have option to adopt Mantle to work with theyre hardware so what your saying is BS and not of any use to the conversation. also as Durquavian said it still rely's on the vendors to update it aka add the code for each piece of hardware as does Mantle so it is in no way better or different having DirectX 12 using something similar to Mantle it all rests on the vendors developing it and also Devs using it so it will be in same boat as Mantle is now with short list of support and even shorter list of vendors using it.

lol i totally forgot about that and that mantle could in the end work on mc, pc, linux etc etc.
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Mantle is open source so other vendors have option to adopt Mantle to work with theyre hardware so what your saying is BS and not of any use to the conversation. also as Durquavian said it still rely's on the vendors to update it aka add the code for each piece of hardware as does Mantle so it is in no way better or different having DirectX 12 using something similar to Mantle it all rests on the vendors developing it and also Devs using it so it will be in same boat as Mantle is now with short list of support and even shorter list of vendors using it.

lol i totally forgot about that and that mantle could in the end work on mc, pc, linux etc etc.

not just that but Nvidia / Intel and so on can use Mantle point of open source free for anyone to use that can or chooses to use it add to it its not OS specific like DirectX and DX is now going to take on Mantle basically and hold it specifically to Windows do you not see that as a BS move by Microsoft. They were backed into a corner out of fear so they backlashed by rebranding Mantle and calling it windows only DX12 this is a text book Microsoft move add to it they didn't actually do much of the work but let AMD do it for them.
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Wow Mantle kills DX in Thief on my machine with maxed out settings at 1080p!

DX


MANTLE
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Wow Mantle kills DX in Thief on my machine with maxed out settings at 1080p!
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DX


MANTLE

Nice result there, good to see a Thuban user with some input as well thumb.gif

One thing i've noticed is the Max fps in BF4 and Thief are usually the same for me with both DX and Mantle but the Min and Avg get the biggest boost, which is great because they are more important to me (and most people).
 
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Nice result there, good to see a Thuban user with some input as well thumb.gif

One thing i've noticed is the Max fps in BF4 and Thief are usually the same for me with both DX and Mantle but the Min and Avg get the biggest boost, which is great because they are more important to me (and most people).

same here.thumb.gif
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same here.thumb.gif

Well thats something in our results that are consistent for a change tongue.gif
 
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