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If there is one thing i hate about hardware is this optinization only for x vender. Man if you are going to mske a game make it work well with every thing ffs
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Yeah cause nvidia getting companies to program for physx then only allowing software CPU processing if your card is not NVIDIA was not the same thing at all.

I would not classify it as the same thing. Not at all.

Besides, physx is just a silly bunch of useless features. Am I right?
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Fragmenting development on the PC to all sorts of different APIs however is not good for consumers. At least in the long run that is.

The last thing we want to see is AMD and Nvidia buying developers to use their software suites. We do not want to end up in a situation where there are no proper high end cards for games overall. No one wants to buy both AMD and NV high end cards to play all their games properly. I fear that AMD is opening the pandora's box here with mantle. If it succeeds and other similar attempts will be made for other architectures it's going to be like a wild west out there. Just anti competitive nonsense all around and only ones who suffer will be consumers.

We don't want to see it, but it is already there before this.
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If i remember DICE asked for this...
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If i remember DICE asked for this...

Not just them....
DX is going away now to become a niche api.
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Or they would have kept it real quiet steadily releasing 5-10% buffs and charging out the ass for them.

I thin the AMD is actually running out of steam in the look for hardware gains so they are going back to the software concepts...
GCN is a fresh arch instead of so vliw derivative so there should be plenty of thing to improve but there is only so much one can do without reducing the node size.
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I would not classify it as the same thing. Not at all.

Besides, physx is just a silly bunch of useless features. Am I right?

Absolutely useless, because (surprise!) BF3 and BF4 and FB3 do not use it!

Edit: But something like Mantle has no alternatives out there, so its serious business. Take my money already.
 
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Absolutely useless, because (surprise!) BF3 and BF4 and FB3 do not use it!

Edit: But something like Mantle has no alternatives out there, so its serious business. Take my money already.

You missed my point. He was comparing Mantle to Physx as being similar/same thing. But any AMD fan never fails to let us know how useless they find Physx.

So if Nvidia is evil for some "useless" features that Physx brings, than just how evil does Mantle make AMD? From what I seen most AMD fans here find it a little funny. Seems a little hypocritical to me, when in fact Mantle can cause greater issues than Physx ever has.
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You missed my point. He was comparing Mantle to Physx as being similar/same thing. But any AMD fan never fails to let us know how useless they find Physx.

So if Nvidia is evil for some "useless" features that Physx brings, than just how evil does Mantle make AMD? From what I seen most AMD fans here find it a little funny. Seems a little hypocritical to me, when in fact Mantle can cause greater issues than Physx ever has.

PhysX drops fps.
license fee cost more money means more expensive to me.
pretty much a locked feature that cost money

amd release Mantle to BF4 I get more value from my 7970.
Nvidia can support it also.
Open feature delivers more fps and removes bottlnecks not create them like PhysX.
all nvidia had to do was to support compute but they dont want to do that in any business decision they made they want to lock stuff.

Bring on BF4 and Mantle.
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PhysX drops fps.
license fee cost more money means more expensive to me.
pretty much a locked feature that cost money

amd release Mantle to BF4 I get more value from my 7970.
Nvidia can support it also.
Open feature delivers more fps and removes bottlnecks not create them like PhysX.
all nvidia had to do was to support compute but they dont want to do that in any business decision they made they want to lock stuff.

Bring on BF4 and Mantle.

PhysX drops FPS for AMD, AMD lock out Nvidia dropping FPS...

But AMD are golden.


Dat logic.
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