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so. it is confirmed that 290x will be released with Bf4. speaking of which, where is that Regent Square fella? tongue.gif
I would have expected him to be in all these threads telling everyone I told you so. I think he was the first to call the release of new AMD cards in 2013 to coincide with the release of BF4 title in one of the 780 pre-release review threads. smile.gif
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Mantle huh? Reminds me of Glide.

I used it with my Voodoo cards because it seemed to run games better and they looked better as well. But even though it was great, it fell by the wayside. Mantle seems like a good idea, but it could meet a similar fate.
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Mantle huh? Reminds me of Glide.

I used it with my Voodoo cards because it seemed to run games better and they looked better as well. But even though it was great, it fell by the wayside. Mantle seems like a good idea, but it could meet a similar fate.

Not this time.

You know DirectX just require something that resembles standard CPU, but gaming itself depends more on GPUs... Mantle looks completely different this time. AMD is taking serious consoles and non-windows OSes.

Thats great difference. Parthership between Intel (IBM) and Microsoft is tight, but they were not focused on gaming. AMD is focused on gaming and its certain that building up GPU which can unify gaming regardless of OS, or platform (PS4, PC, whatever) is only matter of multiplatform support. That however reminds me java with one slight difference... AMD has GCN which is considered to be core of new gaming platform they presented yesterday. When I read technical description about GCN and how things really work I was amazed at possibilites.

Mantle, True Audio and all this stuff around... Imagine it like you buy a "game". you can play it on console, and if you have AMD GPU even on PC regardless of OS. But it will not be a port, but still same game...
post #54 of 567
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Not this time.

You know DirectX just require something that resembles standard CPU, but gaming itself depends more on GPUs... Mantle looks completely different this time. AMD is taking serious consoles and non-windows OSes.

Thats great difference. Parthership between Intel (IBM) and Microsoft is tight, but they were not focused on gaming. AMD is focused on gaming and its certain that building up GPU which can unify gaming regardless of OS, or platform (PS4, PC, whatever) is only matter of multiplatform support. That however reminds me java with one slight difference... AMD has GCN which is considered to be core of new gaming platform they presented yesterday. When I read technical description about GCN and how things really work I was amazed at possibilites.

Mantle, True Audio and all this stuff around... Imagine it like you buy a "game". you can play it on console, and if you have AMD GPU even on PC regardless of OS. But it will not be a port, but still same game...
What are you talking about? And why are you lumping INTEL and IBM as the same company? You sound about like the biggest " fanboy " ever. You are probably too young to remember Glide, but this is exactly what it sounds like
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From what I've seen the 290X is not faster than the Titan in anything besides maybe BF4. If AMD fixes frame pacing at 1600p I will strongly consider selling my Titan and getting 290X Crossfire because adding another Titan for $1000 is too much IMO. Otherwise, if the Titan is faster in everything but BF4, but AMD somehow gets double the performance it gets in DX11 using Mantle I'd rather buy a 7970 to run BF4 and keep the Titan for everything else than sell my Titan for a single 290X.

Titan is overpriced, I'm not going to argue that, but I've run into so many vram walls over the years that I can't justify selling it and getting 780 SLI this late in the game. I've used more than 3GB on a few occasions in Total War games, Arma 3 and modded Skyrim. Yeah it's probably not worth buying the Titan just for those games, but I bought mine in March and overclocked it pretty close to the performance I was getting with a 690 but without the 2GB vram wall. In March, $1000 for near 690 performance on a single card was more justifiable to me than selling the 690 for 4GB 680 SLI. The 780 made the Titan look a lot worse from a price perspective, but not enough that I want to sell it and give up having more than 3GB of vram.

As far as CPUs go, I wish I had a 5.5GHz 4770K, CPU bottlenecks are more prevalent than ever. BF3 does in certain situations and Total War Rome 2 has the worst CPU bottleneck I've ever seen. I'm considering delidding my 3770K and getting a couple 360 rads. That's just me but I feel I do need to upgrade. I don't want to spend $1000 on another Titan but I also don't want to sell the Titan I have for a card that is not as fast in most cases even if it's close.

Edit: Here are the prices I'm looking at (assuming Mantle is twice as fast as DX11 and I really care about BF4)

1: Add another Titan for $1000

2: Sell Titan for $800 and buy either
a) GTX 780 SLI for $1300 but downgrade vram to 3GB (net cost of $500)
b) 290X Crossfire for $1200-$1300 but have frame pacing issue at 1600p (net cost of $400)

3: Keep Titan and buy 7970 for $270

I don't expect Mantle to be a 2x improvement over DX11 and until more games support it, it's not enough of a reason to sidegrade to 290X.
You should install an extra 7970 as a master card just in case Mantle takes off to benefit from "9 times the drawcall" advantage of the new api, imho. Who knows, maybe Mantle can be backported since it is compatible with Microsoft HLSL libraries. I think you need a Lucid Virtu motherboard to pull this feat off.
It is bizarre that a 7970Ghz may be as good as your Gtx 790 once "Forward+" rendering establishes itself.
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So, (can) will SteamOS support Origin and Mantle?
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So, will SteamOS support Origin and Mantle?
That is a really good question. I would want to know an answer on this as well.
    
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So, (can) will SteamOS support Origin and Mantle?

If EA supports Linux, then maybe, but that probably has nothing to do with Valve. Mantle on Linux, who knows.
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I am disturbed on the latest developments. We have regular DirectX, steamos and mantle. Its like the pc gaming wants,to be divided like xbox and ps. I could be wrong though.
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yeah i agree on that lol, nvidia will probably create their own and well end up in the same garbage pile as today lol.

That or back something like OpenGL, which isn't owned by or invented by either AMD or nVidia. If nVidia does that, they basically call AMD's bluff on being a long time supporter of OpenGL and will piss off the Linux/Steam people, which AMD has gone to great lengths to avoid, and nVidia is now playing nice with. Bu backing OpenGL, nVidia can basically force AMD's hand at either ticking off a lot of their backers and be exposed to be "control freaks" with Mantle, or force AMD to possibly abandon Mantle and refocus efforts of both companies into an open standard that isn't controlled by either company and will work with both Windows and Linux.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 9/26/13 at 6:52am
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