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I agree with the direction, conceptually. Implementation is another thing altogether. I don't care who gets there first (AMD or Nvidia) with this tech, but if it works as it is being hyped, this is great news for everyone!
If someone had clicked on the live stream at AMD's conference, after missing the first 20-30 minutes or so (once it actually went live). they would not have been able to tell whether AMD presenters were talking about the new discreet gpus, or chatting up features, in general, for the upcoming consoles. The point is that AMD spent more time talking about gaming, rather than PC gaming. Their energy and focus is currently on consoles, and not on discreet gpus, regardless what was said. To give an example; they or someone from AMD crapped all over pcper for reporting on eyefinity and 4k driver issues recently, yet they failed to come up with a fix by the time the conference went live. And missed an opportunity to embarrass pcper. Now, AMD is promising all kind of goodies for PC gamers, as long as everyone buys into this Unicorn called, Mantle, but they don't have the time to fix the drivers!? credibility issue perhaps?
No reviews, and no benchmarks for this so called 290x the fastest single gpu by AMD, yet its a great product for pre-order, according to AMD. Is it even ready yet?
AMD has to deliver, and then we will believe, Until such time, talk is cheap Pardon the skepticism, but I believe it is warranted in this case.

You raise a good point here that has been on my mind. If AMD is switching more of its focus to consoles, how much is it going to affect PC gaming. I have no desire to game on consoles or low-level apu's, but if that is the direction AMD is headed, then no thanks. If they can dominate the console and apu market with Mantle, what keeps them from eventually pulling out of the higher end market altogether?
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As for proof, google "every low level API to ever exist, ever" and put the rest of the picture together yourself.

pssst i just tried that, aside from anandtech's article on mantle, one return on remapping a keyboard, one return on using django and and a final return manipulating java bytecode.
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The point is that AMD spent more time talking about gaming, rather than PC gaming. Their energy and focus is currently on consoles, and not on discreet gpus, regardless what was said..

I watched the whole presentation twice and that's not what I took from it at all.
AMD seems more concerned with pushing gaming as a whole to the next level.
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It most likely is due to my lack of knowledge, but I found nVidia's explanation a bit too loose... What can it do to boost performance? It seems to be focused in controlling the card's peripherals and operating modes, but not really on improving the actual code performance.
It makes sense to optimize it for their latest architecture.

If you were to make high performance code for high performance machines, would you optimize for a Pentium 4, or an Athlon64? I severely doubt so.

Completely irrelevant , you must have forgotten already that Nvidia have up to date GPU's too.
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To give an example; they or someone from AMD crapped all over pcper for reporting on eyefinity and 4k driver issues recently, yet they failed to come up with a fix by the time the conference went live. And missed an opportunity to embarrass pcper. Now, AMD is promising all kind of goodies for PC gamers, as long as everyone buys into this Unicorn called, Mantle, but they don't have the time to fix the drivers!? credibility issue perhaps?

R9 290 series seems to have Hardware CF frame pacing. we will know when the NDA expires. so yeah AMD has solved it for the high end because its a completely new ASIC. for the others its still a software fix.

"AMD's newest Radeon GPU, the "Hawaii" chip that will power the Radeon R9 290 and 290X cards announced earlier today, will of course be a top priority, as well. Although we can't yet divulge too many details, we expect Hawaii-based graphics cards to arrive with a very capable solution for CrossFire frame compositing and pacing already in place.

Some of the new Radeon cards announced today that are based on older GPUs like Tahiti and Pitcairn will presumably have to wait for the fall driver release in order to see this issue resolved."

http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/TechReport-AMD-Plans-Frame-Pacing-Driver-CrossFire-Eyefinity-and-4K-Autumn

"Editor's Note: I just spoke with Raja Koduri as well and he basically reiterated everything that Scott noted in his story on The Tech Report as well. The upcoming 290X will have frame pacing at Eyefinity and 4K resolution at launch while the cards below that in the R9 series, and users of Radeon HD 7000 cards (and likely beyond) will need some more time before the driver is ready. I'll be able to talk quite a bit more about the changes to BOTH architectures very shortly so stay tuned for that. "
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R9 290 series seems to have Hardware CF frame pacing. we will know when the NDA expires. so yeah AMD has solved it for the high end because its a completely new ASIC. for the others its still a software fix.

You are either talking a pack of lies or cannot use words properly, which is it?

Seems and does have are two different things.
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You are either talking a pack of lies or cannot use words properly, which is it?

Seems and does have are two different things.

its under NDA still.
so those who knows wont say.

seems highly likely its hardware solution though.
the lack of crossfire ports and move to pci-e indicate that
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its under NDA still.
so those who knows wont say.

seems highly likely its hardware solution though.
the lack of crossfire ports and move to pci-e indicate that

I would rather wait for real things than hear a brand defense force talk about it smile.gif


And you may be correct.
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You are either talking a pack of lies or cannot use words properly, which is it?

Seems and does have are two different things.

did you even read the quotes. If Hawaii did not have a hardware fix it would take the same time as Tahiti and Pitcairn for the fix. But the fact that Hawaii will have working frame pacing for Eyefinity and 4K at launch indicates a hardware solution. if you still want to argue fine. we will wait till reviews and find out. thumb.gif
Edited by raghu78 - 9/27/13 at 9:08am
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Completely irrelevant , you must have forgotten already that Nvidia have up to date GPU's too.

I was just exaggerating for the sake of a graphic example tongue.gif

Bad choice of words, I see.
   
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