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The best place to start with Mantle iis a high level overview. What is Mantle? Mantle is a new low-level graphics API specifically geared for AMD’s Graphics Core Next architecture. Whereas standard APIs such as OpenGL and Direct3D operate at a high level to provide the necessary abstraction that makes these APIs operate across a wide variety of devices, Mantle is the very opposite

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When AMD first told us about their plans for Mantle, it was something we took in equal parts of shock, confusion, and awe. The fact that AMD would seek to exploit their console connection was widely expected, however the fact that they would do so with such an aggressive move was not. If our suspicions are right and AMD is bringing over the Xbox One low level API, then this means AMD isn’t just merely exploiting the similarities to Microsoft’s forthcoming console, but they are exploiting the very heart of their console connection. To bring over a console’s low level graphics API in this manner is quite simply unprecedented.

Interesting, so the question is..how does one company go about doing this without a large share of the market (PC gaming wise) and not piss off the people not using their products? What it boils down to: will this lead to a performance hit for Nvidia? Or so it seems.
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Interesting, so the question is..how does one company go about doing this without a large share of the market (PC gaming wise) and not piss off the people not using their products? What it boils down to: will this lead to a performance hit for Nvidia? Or so it seems.

Not to mention people not running at least 7000 series AMD hardware. I thought it was said that Nvidia could take advantage of Mantle if they wanted? I don't see how that is possible given the way Anandtech is describing it.
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Not to mention people not running at least 7000 series AMD hardware. I thought it was said that Nvidia could take advantage of Mantle if they wanted? I don't see how that is possible given the way Anandtech is describing it.

I saw that mentioned somewhere as well but didn't see any confirmation.
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info about linux support (or not support) needed!

It's open source.I assume the market place will dictate that. Even Nvidia can use it,if they dare.
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its open source but also says you need gcn to use it maybe later on it will be coded to work on all gpus who knows.
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its open source but also says you need gcn to use it maybe later on it will be coded to work on all gpus who knows.

Having it coded for all GPUs brings back all the drawbacks inherent in in DirectX and OpenGL. Not going to happen.

@OP: Very informative article, thanks!
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info about linux support (or not support) needed!

It's open source.... so it can be compiled assuming any other dependencies are available.

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Not to mention people not running at least 7000 series AMD hardware. I thought it was said that Nvidia could take advantage of Mantle if they wanted? I don't see how that is possible given the way Anandtech is describing it.
NVIDIA could use the same API commands but they would end up implementing it to their hardware.

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its open source but also says you need gcn to use it maybe later on it will be coded to work on all gpus who knows.
Then we would go back to an era of "capability bits" (aka cap bits). Developers would need to maintain spreadsheets of what GPUs have what features and would choose to include only certain features. Then have to spend more time for each of the possible paths.
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well this answers some of my Qs about the xbone and this.
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