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I'm very interested in how they will pull off 16nm for high performance devices such as GPUs while keeping leakage under control. Oh boy, this is going to some interesting stuff.
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I'm very interested in how they will pull off 16nm for high performance devices such as GPUs while keeping leakage under control. Oh boy, this is going to some interesting stuff.

Same with Intel. They had expressed they are in trouble after 7nm/2017+. I'd really like to find out what will happen, will we hit a wall, new paradigm, new hardware base, a hiatus for 20 years?
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Same with Intel. They had expressed they are in trouble after 7nm/2017+. I'd really like to find out what will happen, will we hit a wall, new paradigm, new hardware base, a hiatus for 20 years?

Aren't they gonna switch To graphine or germanium by then? They Are already working on uv And dual patterning for the 7/10 nm. I heard This from the news a while Ago.
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Aren't they gonna switch To graphine or germanium by then? They Are already working on uv And dual patterning for the 7/10 nm. I heard This from the news a while Ago.

They express certainty they know what to do with 10nm. For 7nm they show optimism but I believe they are not yet fully with a strategy (they prepare around 4 years before starting assembling equipment). Beyond 7nm I believe they are scared because of this plea to other makers by an Intel director, when quantum mechanical problems kick in more prominently, though it's rare to find other official statements that aren't 'super optimistic' (without firm info), and I believe completely different paradigms like using graphene are not production ready.
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w00t!!! Great news for me, because about the time Q1 14 rolls around I'll be looking to get a Nvidia Maxwell 20nm GPU and I planned on upgrading my iPhone 4S to an iPhone 6, so i'll have 20nm in both my GPU and iPhone! yay.biggrin.gif
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On a related note, is there any chance of GlobalFoundries providing 20nm at this time?

I suspect the prices of TSMC are better than GlobalFoundries' since TSMC appears to be easily keeping its old customers this year with no problem.

GF appear to claim that they are on track for 20nm and 16nm.

They appear to be a bit behind since a Fab ('8') that is the latest to be updated and possibly intended for 20nm, doesn't seem ready yet, they appear focused on low tech manufacturing, high tech appears to be an extremely expensive business and only conglomerate giants like TSMC and Intel or Samsung appear capable of pulling it off and even them stuggle to do it sustainably.
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Apparently Apple are diversifying and about less than half of its CPUs are made by Samsung:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_will_reportedly_make_3040_of_apples_upcoming_a8_chip-news-6874.php

I suspect it's a contigency plan in case either of them fails, but it's probably bad news for GPUs since it puts less pressure on TSMC, then again, it already puts some pressure on TSMC to not fail on its most "glamorous" product, an iPhone processor.

edit: I wonder how they can both make the same processor that easily on two different industries, since the technologies have distict differences, I guess the designs are slightly altered and some iphones may have different performance, heh.
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