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post #411 of 538
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Originally Posted by BeerPowered View Post

... stop living in denial. Windows 8 is a success!

^ This just made my day biggrin.gif . Unmatched level of surrealism thumbsupsmiley.png .
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tbh I just hope in by the time 2020 comes we will be able to have a computer system like Tony Stark's in Ironman at which point I wave good bye to windows biggrin.gif
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post #413 of 538
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Only because of the UI, and people going "CHANGE??? NO!!!!!"

^
That.
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There is no such thing as "only because of the UI" in an operating system. For most users the UI is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the operating system, hands down. Seriously, consumers will accept something that has an easy, intuitive UI even if it has objectively worse "under-the-hood" performance. Then they'll thank you and pay lots of money.

Saying that Windows 8 is great except for the UI is basically just saying it's a failure.
    
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There is no such thing as "only because of the UI" in an operating system. For most users the UI is the MOST IMPORTANT part of the operating system, hands down. Seriously, consumers will accept something that has an easy, intuitive UI even if it has objectively worse "under-the-hood" performance. Then they'll thank you and pay lots of money.

Saying that Windows 8 is great except for the UI is basically just saying it's a failure.

yeah this is idiotic. you think business users care more about performance than a simple, efficient ui? i highly doubt that
post #416 of 538
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

Windows 8 is so good under the hood that really the BSOD is a thing of the past.

No it's not. I've had as many light blue frowning faces on my mining rigs as I've seen BSODs on my rig below. In fact, Windows 8 is the only operating system I've had completely bork itself, TWICE, due some Windows updates somehow failing and causing my operating system to go into an infinite start up rollback and repair loop. And I only still have W8 installed on those miners because I almost never actually have to use them myself.

Oh, and the solution to those updates causing that was to make sure I didn't automatically have the computer restart itself afterward. I had to manually shut down, then turn it back on. I've since then disabled automatic updates completely, and don't even bother manually updating. I've never had such a pita experience with an operating system (but then again I did skip ME and early XP).
Edited by Creator - 10/9/13 at 2:38pm
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post #417 of 538
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Originally Posted by *ka24e* View Post

Are you guys that dense? MS took a huge risk with the new UI, and it completely backfired on them. Vista outsold Windows 8 or how about this:
Seriously, Windows 8 was a failure form a business standpoint. Sure, there's always going to be a select few that love the OS, more power to them, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Metro (or whatever its called now) UI gets dumped with the next Windows Iteration.

Windows8 loyalist just cant accept the truth

look at every forum, 90 people hate W8, 10 love it

and the 90 are "haters"

we have the best number to back this: sales

W8 sold less than Vista
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post #418 of 538
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Windows8 loyalist just cant accept the truth

look at every forum, 90 people hate W8, 10 love it

and the 90 are "haters"

we have the best number to back this: sales

W8 sold less than Vista

Why don't you look at the polls run on this very site? It's not great, but nowhere near as bad as you're claiming.
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Windows 8 has more users than Vista and OSX. Hardly a failure!

What really matters both in the present and in the long run is customer satisfaction. You may have sales because Windows 8 comes with every desktop and laptop but that doesn't necessarily translate into happy customers.

A bit of trivia to illustrate what happens when customers don't have a choice when buying a computer and then a better OS comes along:

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At the release of Windows 7 (October 2009), Windows Vista (with approximately 400 million Internet users) was the second most widely used operating system on the Internet with an approximately 19% market share

(...)

As of July 2013, Vista market share was 5.24%.


- from Wikipedia


See how fast people flew away from Windows Vista ? Just because it sold well, that doesn't mean people were embracing it, they just had to live with it, at the first opportunity they moved away from it. And let's not forget that it's not even the case of a hardware transition in mass numbers because Windows 7 runs at least just as well, probably better in all cases, than Vista on 2007 - 2009 computers, most of which are Core 2 Duo / Quad and onwards machines, which are still perfectly capable machines for normal Office / Internet usage. So people basically dumped Windows Vista as soon as they had the chance. Microsoft even provided family packs of Windows 7 upgrades at the time.


Also, don't forget the usual spin that Microsoft does on Windows sales in general. Companies that have a volume licensing agreement with Microsoft and are upgrading from XP to 7 are formally upgrading to the latest OS Microsoft makes, 8 / 8.1 with downgrade rights to 7, so the number of Windows 8 / 8.1 licenses sold is going to grow compared to 7, while the Internet usage charts will show the exact opposite.


Also, it keeps being amusing how Windows 8 defenders keep coming up with the "afraid of change" and the arrogant "deal with it", when it's pretty obvious the common consumer is anything but afraid of change. How can someone afraid of change embrace two new classes of devices - current smartphones and tablets with capacitive touchscreens with multi-touch and a multi-touch UI ? Why not keep using phones with keypads and laptops and Netbooks solely ?

Neither of the two most famous mobile OSes were around before 2007 and neither was the usage model, so people actually adapted pretty quickly, not at all typical for people supposedly "afraid of change". iOS was released along with the iPhone in 2007 and Android smartphones were only released in late 2008. The first iPad was only released in April of 2010.

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As of March 2012, 31% of U.S. Internet users were reported to have a tablet

31% in little less than 2 years ?!? My, people are so afraid of change.

A few months later:

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As of October 2012, display screen shipments for tablets began surpassing shipments for laptop display screens.

from Wikipedia


People embrace solutions when they make sense for any given use.
Edited by tpi2007 - 10/9/13 at 9:15pm
 
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Also, it keeps being amusing how Windows 8 defenders keep coming up with the "afraid of change" and the arrogant "deal with it", when it's pretty obvious the common consumer is anything but afraid of change. How can someone afraid of change embrace two new classes of devices - current smartphones and tablets with capacitive touchscreens with multi-touch and a multi-touch UI ? Why not keep using phones with keypads and laptops and Netbooks solely ?

Neither of the two most famous mobile OSes were around before 2007 and neither was the usage model, so people actually adapted pretty quickly, not at all typical for people supposedly "afraid of change". iOS was released along with the iPhone in 2007 and Android smartphones were only released in late 2008. The first iPad was only released in April of 2010.
I don't think the afraid of change makes much sense either, but you realize its generally harder to join a race late with established competitors too, right? Apple had a bit of an advantage in that they managed to turn the tablet from a curiosity into an everyday household device practically overnight*, even android had problems keeping up as an established player in the mobile arena.

I'm a bit more bemused at anyone that thinks MS should just drop their attempts though. Ignoring the largest growing computing form factor could only be an act of insanity unless MS is ok with becoming obsolete in the OS market in a few years. Even if businesses and many users skip 8, this is a fight MS can afford to, and really needs to throw money at (and they are).

*It's really to Apple's credit they managed to do that at all
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