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"i was making a claim. that doesn't mean i wanted to justify it with an actual warrant."

considering you didn't explain the benefits of touch to the business world even in a general sense, i don't think you have a leg to stand on here

Thats fine, I guess I don't than. But even if I did want to explain I don't know how I would...unless you have Rockwell/Honeywell/Fisher/DCS knowledge....Do you? If you do you probably already understand the implications of the touch screen. But also that process control is usually a tailor fit to the company / process in question.
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Thats fine, I guess I don't than. But even if I did want to explain I don't know how I would...unless you have Rockwell/Honeywell/Fisher/DCS knowledge....Do you? If you do you probably already understand the implications of the touch screen. But also that process control is usually a tailor fit to the company / process in question.

My guess is that you are manipulating some 3D designs or perhaps some CAD work...you are talking about the one and only real development use for touch interfaces there. Well, even then it will be debatable...it will come down to personal preference. A lot of people are more coordinated with a mouse than they are with their own fingers. I myself can draw better in MS Paint than I probably could on paper. Heh, I type out and print or send to my phone my grocery list because sometimes I have trouble reading my own hand writing.
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My guess is that you are manipulating some 3D designs or perhaps some CAD work...you are talking about the one and only development use for touch interfaces there. Even then...it will come down to personal preference. A lot of people are more coordinated with a mouse than they are with their own fingers. I myself can draw better in MS Paint than I probably could on paper. Heh, I type out and print my grocery list because sometimes I have trouble reading my own hand writing.

No, I am not talking about AutoCAD design. Believe it or not but we have not had a single engineer as for a Surface or touch screen. The only thing we get that is special to that group is more memory in the systems used on their desks.
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No, I am not talking about AutoCAD design. Believe it or not but we have not had a single engineer as for a Surface or touch screen. The only thing we get that is special to that group is more memory in the systems used on their desks.

Well, I associate all those words you mentioned with engineering applications. Especially Rockwell and DCS.

I am just saying that manipulating a 3D image is something that a touch interface could be useful for if it worked for the user. Though I personally don't know of any people that use these types of programs that do. I just could understand how it could be useful.

I've also seen some programs made for a touch screen in mind...LOL...they look pretty much like the Win 8 start screen now that I think about it. Inventory management software where icons appear on one side of the window and get dragged to the other areas when they are processed. Touch works well in this case since they only touch the screen once every 30 minutes or so at the most and a forklift driver can pull up by the screen and reach it.

Touch does have uses in business on PCs...but the whole process has to be tailored around it in my experience. It isn't something that can be packaged up and just given out to all users of an OS. Businesses are not going to want to upgrade to Win 8 even if Win 7 losses support...they just don't gain anything from it and stand to lose a small amount of productivity. They either need to extend Win 7 or get Win 9 out fast and make it so businesses like it. Even if they have to go back to having a "Professional" version of the OS.
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*Snip odd issue submit button would not work...In Google Chrome
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Well, I associate all those words you mentioned with engineering applications. Especially Rockwell and DCS.

I am just saying that manipulating a 3D image is something that a touch interface could be useful for if it worked for the user. Though I personally don't know of any people that use these types of programs that do. I just could understand how it could be useful.

I've also seen some programs made for a touch screen in mind...LOL...they look pretty much like the Win 8 start screen now that I think about it. Inventory management software where icons appear on one side of the window and get dragged to the other areas when they are processed. Touch works well in this case since they only touch the screen once every 30 minutes or so at the most and a forklift driver can pull up by the screen and reach it.

Touch does have uses in business...but the whole process has to be tailored around it in my experience.

We use RSView with touch screens to control machines (floor people use them I should say). But many of the business leaders like the access as well. Along with E&I for troubleshooting. I am setting up a new Surface Pro specifically for that right now. Also think more after design when I use those terms.

But now that you mention it all the engineers use the PC's mouse/keyboard. I don't even see drawing pads or nothing else like that... and I completely agree that touch does have to be tailored around the whole process.
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Heh... Touch screens are best left to the various operations of "fash food cashiers" who need to point at pictures of food in order to calculate the cost of your meal... LOL
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PDAs AKA the Grand daddy of Touchscreen phones were around in the the mid 80s, evolved into touchscreen phones, and didn't catch on with the main stream till 2007.

Same can be said for many technologies.

Touchscreen input isn't a fad like 3D movies. It is how the mainstream will use computers. Someday we won't even touch the screen, we will just use gestures like in Minority Report.

The Keyboard will remain, because some jobs still rely on heavy typing, but you can kiss the mouse goodbye.

Touchscreens have been around and on devices that recieved great reviews. The only reason they were not popular was because they were cost prohibitive. Same as every development ever made. I'd highly disagree with mouses disappearing though. In general use touch could replace a mouse but precision work we haven't developed a way to interface with touch yet.

I've worked on development of a geospatial light table for mapping and visualization. We are talking about a 40 inch screen for a single user input. The only way to have precision was to zoom in to hit a point and then zoom back out. Short of that it is a fantastic way to work. Arm fatigue was easily reduce by having it set up like a drafting table which could be flat or angled allow the user to stand or sit next to it. Keyboard and mouses have issues as well with RSI.
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why would any business user possibly care about touch? using office programs is annoying enough with a trackpad.

the only way that touch could be better than a decent trackpad with good gesture/scrolling support would be if you design the ui around touch. but a trackpad with a trackpad/mouse ui is still going to be more functional anyway

Entirely dependent upon the task. As for office, it really isn't difficult at all, perhaps easier with the right UI (Office 2013 for example). Still no getting around a keyboard for that unless it is replaced with speech to text (voice control could replace both though).
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"i was making a claim. that doesn't mean i wanted to justify it with an actual warrant."

considering you didn't explain the benefits of touch to the business world even in a general sense, i don't think you have a leg to stand on here

Define business. Several hospitals have switched to carrying iPads around instead of charts. Records are easier to keep track of and backup. On the floor sales associates in retail carry tablets to do inventory checks or checkout. Engineers and construction employees use them for on site use where holding a laptop is not an option. I worked on project for Leica and Trimble on automated steering and control of farm equipment so farmers could control several pieces of equipment with touchscreens.

I could go on but everyone gets the point. There are places and times in the business world that touchscreens are superior. Cost was the only reason it hasn't been implemented. Is doesn't always work as well but I have problem saying anyone who has a job that doesn't require hours of typing and being stationary would likely be better than the traditional keyboard and mouse combo. It is entirely dependent on the job at hand.

If you guys cannot see past what your ideas of business and usages are then you are quite blind to the world around you.

Here if anyone cares to see what is possible or if you are just bored: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkrjjw_top-10-benefits-of-using-a-touch-screen-display-for-business_news

Rockwell/Honeywell/Fisher/DCS? Distributed control systems
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If you guys cannot see past what your ideas of business and usages are then you are quite blind to the world around you.

Here if anyone cares to see what is possible or if you are just bored: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkrjjw_top-10-benefits-of-using-a-touch-screen-display-for-business_news

Rockwell/Honeywell/Fisher/DCS? Distributed control systems

Yup, I agree with what you are laying down. There are so many aspects to "business" that an individual cannot...nay should not make such a bold statement as to generalize that touch screens are not good for "businesses". There are always exceptions. Bottom line is touch screen technology is creeping into offices, mills, foundries, fast food industry, trucks going down the road, heavy equipment, etc, etc more and more everyday.
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I'm going to just say it. If you can't use the Windows 8 UI more efficiently than windows 7, you haven't tried it, and don't deserve to argue. Everything can be accessed fast through the Start Screen. Or, the same old way on the desktop. And if you have tried and still can't figure it out, you can't be very smart.
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