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post #41 of 52
G400s is the newest version. G400 was the previous model. Your MX510 is some ancient predecessor to it. I don't know what changed from G400 to G400s, if it got better or if there's some new problem.

There's no best mouse it seems. No matter what sensor and how it's used in the mouse, there always seems to be some sort of catch. You won't know if there will be something weird happening for you personally. The tracking has to work well on the surface you use, and there's lifting and repositioning the mouse which everyone does differently. What's the best shape, if you want the mouse heavier or lighter, and if you like the clicking and wheel, that's all something only you can decide.

Overall, you just have to try it. I guess that's what the best mouse is if money is no object: trying a bunch. That's also perhaps the downside on the G400s. There's nothing new for you to discover as it's kind of exactly your current mouse.
post #42 of 52
I have tried the g400s, death adder 2013, and the roccat optical kone pure. These three are the commonly recommended for optical gaming mice.

The g400s is least costly of the three, fits my hand good, is robust and built with durable components. The sensor is great, and is located in the center of the mouse as opposed to previous Logitech mice such as the g500. This is the mouse I use over the three I've tried. The difference between the g400 and the G400s is fairly minimal. The g400s goes up to 4000 dpi vs the 3600 dpi from the g400. It also has a different paint scheme, a cable re-enforcer where the cable comes out of the mouse, and cushions under the plunger that depresses the micro switches when you click.

The roccat kone pure optical is my favorite of all three in terms of every quality except for shape and size. For this reason I cannot use it, but if I could use it i would because IMO it's the highest quality mouse of the three I've tested. As soon as roccat releases an optical Kone + or XTD I will buy it on the release date because roccat just blew me away with the quality of their product I've tried.

The DA 2013 is my least favorite of the three. It has decent tracking and it fits ok in the hand. However, mouse clicks on all buttons felt mushy to me compared to the roccat and g400s, and the mouse overall feels like a hollow plastic toy.

The best advice anyone can give you, is visit a local store and see which mouse that matches your requirements but mostly fits you're hand and grip preferences best. I hope this helps you choose a mouse.
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post #43 of 52
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I think I'm sold on the G400s. Its exactly like the mouse I have now, only faster/better. Its also a good $30-40 less than the Roccat. I don't care for macros or any of those options. I need something with speed and pinpoint accuracy. I'm particularly interested the DPi changing feature. It sounds like it would be very effective for changing DPi on the fly, say when i'm sniping.

I just wish it came in red to match my Corsair Vengeance K70 keyboard. biggrin.gif
post #44 of 52
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Thanks everyone for the advice. I picked up a G400S today and couldn't be happier. Its exactly like my Mx510, just more accurate and responsive. I look forward to testing it out in BF3 this weekend. thumb.gif

Thanks again,
post #45 of 52
well.. my 518 felt more responsive on 125hz than my g400 on 1000. more dpi = faster cursoer =/= more responsive
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well.. my 518 felt more responsive on 125hz than my g400 on 1000. more dpi = faster cursoer =/= more responsive

That's more to do with 1000hz putting an excessive load on the USB driver. IME every mouse that supports 1000hz is more responsive at 500hz. You'll have to underclock the USB driver to avoid using Logitech software for the G400 tho.
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post #47 of 52
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That's more to do with 1000hz putting an excessive load on the USB driver. IME every mouse that supports 1000hz is more responsive at 500hz. You'll have to underclock the USB driver to avoid using Logitech software for the G400 tho.

or more to do with g400 having more anti ripple smoothing than mx518
a4tech x-760h (adns 3060) @ 1000hz puts same load on usb driver but its the most responsive mouse I tried.
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btw berserk, didnt you say you have only used the xL-760h?

I used both.
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post #48 of 52
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That's more to do with 1000hz putting an excessive load on the USB driver. IME every mouse that supports 1000hz is more responsive at 500hz. You'll have to underclock the USB driver to avoid using Logitech software for the G400 tho.

see what berserk said. furthermore its not possible to downgrade the mouse from 1000hz. trust me I tried, but thats history now anyway.

btw berserk, didnt you say you have only used the xL-760h?
Edited by jayfkay - 10/19/13 at 1:14pm
post #49 of 52
There's nothing wrong with 1000hz polling. More fluctuation if anything; maybe mistaking consistency of updates (lower polling is better) for response or not factoring other hw and external input latency.

1000hz is inherently smoother, circles less jagged. Up to you what you value you more.
Edited by Skylit - 10/19/13 at 1:23pm
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or more to do with g400 having more anti ripple smoothing than mx518
a4tech x-760h (adns 3060) @ 1000hz puts same load on usb driver but its the most responsive mouse I tried.
I used both.

I'm beginning to think you're right and over the past year I've simply got used to the sluggish nature of the G400, as people do with an LCD. The only reason I've persisted is the shape being a perfect fit.

I just gave some of my other mice a try and they all seem far more responsive at 500hz and 1000hz (Zowie EC2 eVo, Roccat Savu, KinzuAdder). Using the Zowie EC2 eVo atm and input lag already feels reduced. I'm doing faster and more consistent speed runs in Quake2/Quake3.
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