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Razer Deathadder 2013 vs Zowie EC1 eVo

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Anyone who's used both able to compare them in terms of button feel, scroll wheel and build quality?

Perhaps also compare to the Zowie FK for the buttons and scroll?

Thanks.
post #2 of 37
Evo buttons have slightly longer travel time. This results in a more tactile feel.

Scroll wheels are vastly different: the Evo has a very tight-feeling scroll. I don't have an FK but I do have an AM, so compared to the AM the Evo feels meetier [edit: meatier]. Squishier? I don't know. I prefer it to the AM, though. DA 2013's is easier to scroll but doesn't feel cheap. Overall, I prefer the Evo wheel.

As far as build quality, both rival each other, but I'd give the slight edge to Zowie. I'm a very low sense player and I have total confidence in the Evo when I'm doing 40 cm/180. Could be because of the lesser weight, though.

[Edit II: Also would like to note if you're a palm gripper that putting decent pressure on your index finger knuckle will result in an accidental click on the DA]
Edited by derrison - 9/29/13 at 7:53pm
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The only input I can give is that I haven't been very impressed with Razers quality. I've owned a few products of theirs and always had some minor technical issues with them.

This was also before they were being sold in stores like Walmart, Target and Best Buy. And if things go as they usually do the more a company produces, typically their quality control goes even further down the toilet. Now I have not read anything about their QC as of late, I'm just assuming this.
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Buttons on the EC felt mushy to me, probably due to the long travel distance, I preferred the 2013's buttons much more. 2013's buttons felt much more responsive imo.

I don't really care for the scroll wheels on either one, if I had to pick between the two I'd pick the Zowie's. The DA's scroll wheel felt alright out of the box, pretty soft feeling compared to the EC1, didn't stay consistent for long. Ended up feeling about the same as some of my older intellimice, not totally impressed with the scroll wheel.
EC has much more pronounced feedback, the feel doesn't really change over time. I've had issues with both the EC1 and EC2's scroll wheels, on both mice they would skip if you were to scroll moderately fast, and on the EC2 the scroll wheel would partially lift out of the shell causing the scroll wheel to not work at all.

The build quality on both mice didn't really impress me, they both had some issues that I haven't encountered on mice that I've owned before or since.
The DA's top shell was quite creaky, its like it wasn't screwed down very much because I could feel the shell move when I would use the mouse. Scroll wheel wore out quite quickly, feels very mushy now compared to how it was when it was new, I don't think I've really liked mechanical encoders all that much though so ymmv.
EC1 had the aforementioned scroll wheel issues, the finish had a lot of imperfections (glossy white) that were quite disappointing to see, and finally the bottom of the mouse would rub against my mousepads causing the bottom to become discolored and scratched.
I'm probably being overly critical about both mice but I just wasn't impressed with the quality.

I'm not using either mouse right now, I don't really care for the feel of the DA anymore as it doesn't feel comfortable for me, the EC1 feels more comfortable (especially coming from the G400) but I can't stand the switches so I'd probably swap those out. I'd personally go with the EC1 just because it feels more comfortable and it feels similar to the G400 that I've been using, it's kind of like a fat DA/3.0.


Edit: Missed your question on the FK, the scroll wheel is similar to the one on the EC1 but the example I have doesn't have any issues whatsoever, it actually feels quite good to me. The buttons feel more responsive than the ones on the EC since they don't have much travel distance, my FK doesn't have very stiff switches either, they feel only slightly stiffer than the switches in say my G400. YMMV when it comes to the FK's buttons and scroll wheel though, I've seen people reporting varying amounts of stiffness in the switches and complaints about the scroll wheel having some of the problems that I experienced with the EC1/2.
Edited by Vikhr - 9/29/13 at 10:06pm
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DA2013's main mouse buttons are very, very light and require very little force to actuate. In my experience using the DA 3G, 3.5G and 2013 the buttons have become increasingly easier to actuate with the release of each iteration.

I had an EC2 so things may be slightly different for the EC1 but the EC2's buttons took an adequate amount of force to depress and had a "sharp" tactile response. I had issues with it when repeatedly trying to click fast but that may have been due to the fact that I was more used to Omrons vs the Huanos. The scroll wheels on both felt similar to be honest, however the EC2's was definitely tighter and the feedback you got on each scroll was significantly more pronounced when compared to the DA's.

It's all personal preference, and I may be more picky compared to other users but the 2013 was unusable for me. The main mouse buttons were far too easy to press and I would constantly misclick due to how light both mouse buttons were. If I had to buy a mouse right now based on these two I would honestly lean towards the EC1 despite it having weird CPI steps and lower max tracking speeds (however the speeds on the eVo are pretty solid, dependent on surface of course).
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DA2013's main mouse buttons are very, very light and require very little force to actuate. In my experience using the DA 3G, 3.5G and 2013 the buttons have become increasingly easier to actuate with the release of each iteration.

I had an EC2 so things may be slightly different for the EC1 but the EC2's buttons took an adequate amount of force to depress and had a "sharp" tactile response. I had issues with it when repeatedly trying to click fast but that may have been due to the fact that I was more used to Omrons vs the Huanos. The scroll wheels on both felt similar to be honest, however the EC2's was definitely tighter and the feedback you got on each scroll was significantly more pronounced when compared to the DA's.

It's all personal preference, and I may be more picky compared to other users but the 2013 was unusable for me. The main mouse buttons were far too easy to press and I would constantly misclick due to how light both mouse buttons were. If I had to buy a mouse right now based on these two I would honestly lean towards the EC1 despite it having weird CPI steps and lower max tracking speeds (however the speeds on the eVo are pretty solid, dependent on surface of course).

For me, the DA 2013 main switches feels harder than on my DA 3.5G. But the travel distance feels shorter. The scroll on EC1/2 is probably on of the worst I've tried. Both my EC1 (first gen) and EC2 eVo have had squeaky sound, soggy rolling and it just felt very cheap.
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My main gripe with the DA is how the right side sort of tapers off? I'd very much prefer if it was more \///// grippy like the left side. Right now it feels a bit like \\\\\\\
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My main gripe with the DA is how the right side sort of tapers off? I'd very much prefer if it was more \///// grippy like the left side. Right now it feels a bit like \\\\\\\

Anyone have any idea if the EC1 eVo would be better in this case?
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Anyone have any idea if the EC1 eVo would be better in this case?

I have EC2, exact same shape just smaller. I can't compare until I get home from work but I think the EC have even more \ tilted right side. I could take some pictures when I get home if you don't find any good comparison.
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I have EC2, exact same shape just smaller. I can't compare until I get home from work but I think the EC have even more \ tilted right side. I could take some pictures when I get home if you don't find any good comparison.

Please do.

So from your memory, it tapers off \\\\\\\\\ more so than the DA?
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