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I support the network and machines in a local chiropractor's office. (My mom works there, so I just do "contractor work" whenever their vendors fail to deliver support or they need something done that they don't want to pay someone 150 dollars an hour to do.) They currently are running XP, which in itself is not a problem. The problem is that they have sensitive patient data that they don't need to have compromised. With XP soon to be losing all support, I suggested (six months ago) that they talk to their vendors about upgrading and moving away from XP on their machines that have to be connected to the internet. After speaking with vendors, they were quoted $2,000 each for VERY basic machines (Basic meaning barely beats my 7 year old Core2Duo laptop) and then an additional $500 set up fee per machine. Basically 5 grand for two crappy workstations and the support plan is extra. They would also be paying to update their proprietary software, which is actually less than the quote for machines. They have asked me to get together a quote for machines.

These are business machines, so graphics cards aren't high on the priority list. What it does need is pretty simple:
RAM- There needs to be 16GB of RAM on one machine because it acts as a host "server" for one of the proprietary software databases. The client program is pretty light, but the actual hosting program is very heavy as far as RAM usage.

Multi-threading support - On the host machine, again, the proprietary software is CPU intensive at several points in the day.

In terms of needs and wants, the software they run can be pretty demanding at times so I wanted to quote a decent build that I could easily support.
I wanted to go with a u-ATX style build because the size will be an asset in a small office. I have 4 main builds specced out. Two of which are i5 builds. Don't hate on me because I put half and half. I wanted to offer as wide a range as possible of solutions and Intel IS a viable solution, albeit more expensive.

Xeon E3-1220 V2 - Setup Quoted to Office
Xeon E3-1220 V2 (Click to show)

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1220 V2 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.54 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Constellation CS 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.16 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 1GB Video Card ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($32.43 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: FSP Group 400W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($61.17 @ Mwave)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($134.98 @ Outlet PC)
Monitor: AOC e2050Swd 60Hz 19.5" Monitor ($89.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $809.21


A10-6800K
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: AMD A10-6800K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A75M-D3H Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($126.92 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $604.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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FX-6300
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 LE R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($126.92 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 1GB Video Card ($29.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($37.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.33 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $631.11
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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i5-4670k
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 2GB Video Card ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $747.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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i5-3570k
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-M/CSM Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($70.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($90.15 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 2GB Video Card ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $698.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I know these builds are overkill for what they want (or need). The second build will likely have 8GB of memory rather than 16GB since the programs aren't as heavy. There may be an added 1TB second drive for system backups on the main host machine.

I also know that they don't need the unlocked processors on the i5 builds. I did that to help get a better idea of overall price since I'll likely have to pay a little more or less for each part plus shipping. If the price difference is minimal, then it may be worth it to get it, but I digress.

Give me your feedback and ask any questions that you need to. thumb.gif Fire away!

EDIT:
On a suggestion late in the thread, I now have the best possible machine for this purpose. Thanks to all who gave suggestions and especially for the Xeon suggestion. thumb.gif

UPDATE:
All of the parts, save one powersupply that I had to go to the ends of the earth to track down, are in and assembled. I really love the NZXT Source 210 case! I didn't expect nearly as nice of a case as it is. (The plastic packaging on it made it staticy though which was really painful) The cable management is fantastic and there is plenty of room for anything I need. It also come ready to attach a 2x120 Radiator to the top and has punch outs in the back for water-cooling should you need it.

Since these are office workstations, water-cooling is not in the works. This is just a nice feature I wanted to point out. I have installed Windows 7 64-bit on the single completed machine and have it running for stability right now. I tested all of the components individually and everything checked out. The only thing I haven't checked out was the hard drive stability. That will be seen this week.

Thanks to all who made this project successful with your suggestions and commentary! I took some pictures of the build as I built it (who wouldn't?). I'm just going to put up an image of the finished interior.
Edited by Terrere - 11/11/13 at 6:38am
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So the builds you listed above, are they each spec'd out for a specific task or are these their options? I'm guessing each computer will fill a role.

I would find a good base (even if its OP) and go up from there. Also, I do like AMD, but for business (that could potentially outgrow equipment, as it appears to be doing now), I would stick to i5-7 processors or even step up to Xeon, especially for the "server" you mentioned.

Most importantly, you dont want to overwhelm them with choices that honestly, they want you to make for them. I've found that business clients dont really care what is in a machine as long as it just works.
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So the builds you listed above, are they each spec'd out for a specific task or are these their options? I'm guessing each computer will fill a role.

I would find a good base (even if its OP) and go up from there. Also, I do like AMD, but for business (that could potentially outgrow equipment, as it appears to be doing now), I would stick to i5-7 processors or even step up to Xeon, especially for the "server" you mentioned.

Most importantly, you dont want to overwhelm them with choices that honestly, they want you to make for them. I've found that business clients dont really care what is in a machine as long as it just works.

Good point on giving them too many choices. thinking.gif An i7 build is very much overkill for their needs, since a nice i5 build could easily cover their growth. I was simply tossing out that I also considered the 6300 to be a contender for the additional 2 threads of handling vs 4 of the i5 and for price. i7 or 8350 are very much out of the race since they are both overkill and unnecessary.

As far as "outgrowing" the AMD processor, I don't feel that they will since they are heavily CPU dependent and heavy threading, but not alot of speed based things. I believe that it scales, the primary software for the "host" was designed to be run on a server and does load balancing IIRC.

The reason I want to select a single build is because of support. I will know exactly what is in both machines. Also, if one machine goes down, the "host" is the most essential of the two. As long as the "host" stays up, they can do business. They have other machines that will be pulled over later on to Windows 7, but for now I will just remove them from the network to avoid security problems.

I'm starting with 2 machines and likely putting Windows 7 on an older laptop. The main point is that the specs I have SEEM good to me, but I'm hesitant to choose any one build because they will ALL do the job, and do it much better than the current setup. headscratch.gif
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Well it sounds then like you have a good grasp on the level of tech you're going to need for the builds. I would make them all the same as possible to make it easier to support as you have already mentioned. The only other advice is to stick with solid brands for all of the equipment. And if that means spending a little extra to get better quality parts then do it. This is a business so saving $30 on a power supply or harddrive by going with a cheaper, at the risk of stability isnt worth it.

Some changes I might make:
Storage: WD Caviar Balcks
Power: Seasonic or Enermax gold cert
Mobo: MSI FM2-A85XMA-E35 - It got much better reviews than the GA-F2A75M-D3H and has passive cooling on the mosfets.
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Well it sounds then like you have a good grasp on the level of tech you're going to need for the builds. I would make them all the same as possible to make it easier to support as you have already mentioned. The only other advice is to stick with solid brands for all of the equipment. And if that means spending a little extra to get better quality parts then do it. This is a business so saving $30 on a power supply or harddrive by going with a cheaper, at the risk of stability isnt worth it.

Some changes I might make:
Storage: WD Caviar Balcks
Power: Seasonic or Enermax gold cert
Mobo: MSI FM2-A85XMA-E35 - It got much better reviews than the GA-F2A75M-D3H and has passive cooling on the mosfets.

My idea wasn't specifically based on saving money per se. I was just putting together a build that was the best middle ground I could find between performance, quality, and price.

I've actually had a bad experience with two separate WD Blacks recently. (One for the build I did, and one I put into a client's machine) I've been having a pretty good run with Seagate Barracudas and having them perform well. I may go ahead and put my faith in the Blacks again, but if they die on me again WD will have lost all of my business for a while. headscratch.gif

XFX has the same OEM as Seasonic IIRC, but I will take note of finding a better rated PSU since power efficiency is important. thumb.gif

On the motherboard, I probably won't go APU. After writing out my reasoning for a 6300 over an i5, it applies to the APU as well. Since the graphics requirements are basically non-existent an APU wouldn't be practical. The CPU bears the load, and the i5 and 6300 both beat the APU. Thanks for the suggestion on the motherboard though. I instantly lumped the MSI FM2 boards with the AM3+ boards that have exploded.
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Just overlooking some of your builds you are using overclockable processors? Why do they need to be unlocked? Will you need to unlock the clocks for something strenuous that you have not mentioned? As far as it goes when I build computers for clients I make them to the needs, as you have done here. But like i've mentioned, you are using processors that they will never fully utilize. I would recommend going with something that produces less heat. I would use the money for the case, unless you have a good reason for the overclocking
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Dont waste money on K series processors.
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Dont waste money on K series processors.

I wouldn't say it's a waste, more or less, not applicable in this situation. The K just means that they are unlocked and can be overclocked...
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Just overlooking some of your builds you are using overclockable processors? Why do they need to be unlocked? Will you need to unlock the clocks for something strenuous that you have not mentioned? As far as it goes when I build computers for clients I make them to the needs, as you have done here. But like i've mentioned, you are using processors that they will never fully utilize. I would recommend going with something that produces less heat. I would use the money for the case, unless you have a good reason for the overclocking
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I support the network and machines in a local chiropractor's office. (My mom works there, so I just do "contractor work" whenever their vendors fail to deliver support or they need something done that they don't want to pay someone 150 dollars an hour to do.) They currently are running XP, which in itself is not a problem. The problem is that they have sensitive patient data that they don't need to have compromised. With XP soon to be losing all support, I suggested (six months ago) that they talk to their vendors about upgrading and moving away from XP on their machines that have to be connected to the internet. After speaking with vendors, they were quoted $2,000 each for VERY basic machines (Basic meaning barely beats my 7 year old Core2Duo laptop) and then an additional $500 set up fee per machine. Basically 5 grand for two crappy workstations and the support plan is extra. They would also be paying to update their proprietary software, which is actually less than the quote for machines. They have asked me to get together a quote for machines.

These are business machines, so graphics cards aren't high on the priority list. What it does need is pretty simple:
RAM- There needs to be 16GB of RAM on one machine because it acts as a host "server" for one of the proprietary software databases. The client program is pretty light, but the actual hosting program is very heavy as far as RAM usage.

Multi-threading support - On the host machine, again, the proprietary software is CPU intensive at several points in the day.

In terms of needs and wants, the software they run can be pretty demanding at times so I wanted to quote a decent build that I could easily support.
I wanted to go with a u-ATX style build because the size will be an asset in a small office. I have 4 main builds specced out. Two of which are i5 builds. Don't hate on me because I put half and half. I wanted to offer as wide a range as possible of solutions and Intel IS a viable solution, albeit more expensive.

A10-6800K
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: AMD A10-6800K 4.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A75M-D3H Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($126.92 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $604.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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FX-6300
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($126.92 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6570 2GB Video Card ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $606.78
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-30 17:29 EDT-0400)

i5-4670k
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($129.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 2GB Video Card ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $747.84
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-30 17:26 EDT-0400)

i5-3570k
PCPartPicker part list
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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-M/CSM Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($70.98 @ Outlet PC)
Memory: Kingston Blu Red Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($90.15 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ Outlet PC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6450 2GB Video Card ($39.98 @ Outlet PC)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Outlet PC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($132.95 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $698.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-09-30 17:27 EDT-0400)
I know these builds are overkill for what they want (or need). The second build will likely have 8GB of memory rather than 16GB since the programs aren't as heavy. There may be an added 1TB second drive for system backups on the main host machine. I also know that they don't need the unlocked processors on the i5 builds. I did that to help get a better idea of overall price since I'll likely have to pay a little more or less for each part plus shipping. If the price difference is minimal, then it may be worth it to get it, but I digress.

Give me your feedback and ask any questions that you need to. thumb.gif Fire away!

I had it in my OP. I put those in the list since 1. They cost more and will give me a more realistic overall build cost value. 2. They weren't a huge difference in price to skew the price too far.

I know it will not benefit me to overclock them and that these aren't for an enthusiast build. I was actually planning on going with a better case, a Mid-tower ATX (potentially u-ATX) case that has cable management, but I haven't decided which one to put in the builds yet. The cheap Fractal Core 1000 is just a place holder since an extra 20-30 bucks won't break any backs.
Edited by Terrere - 10/1/13 at 11:04am
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I wouldn't say it's a waste, more or less, not applicable in this situation. The K just means that they are unlocked and can be overclocked...

I know exactly what a K indicates.
And its wasted money for a doctors office.
Partly because its overspending, but mostly because its never going to be utilized.
You dont overclock client builds unless they want an overclocked system for a very specific reason.
And even then, you try and find a more stable alternative.
Even after stability testing its generally very bad form to leave a contract with hardware running out of its stock spec.

If a 3570 is enough, then a 3570k is a waste.
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