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Aaaaaah, now that looks like a workstation build to me!!!

Well done Terrere!


I agree the HD6450 is absolutely fine for this application.

The FSP group gold+ rated units are pretty decent quality for the money. At the time of purchase it's worth comparing the price of a rosewill capstone 450W as that is technically a slightly better PSU. Go with whichever is cheaper or if the price is similar lean towards the capstone IMO. (I've used both in builds, they seem fine).

The fractal core 1000 is pretty limited on cable management and such. It's a no frills, blacked out, basic looking box that is built well enough that you shouldn't expect t bleed when you build inside of it.

If the machine is going to have a low profile GPU I think it's worth looking at smaller profile computer cases for the matx build than the source 210 or even the micro-mid-towers I was suggesting.

Best of luck,
Eric
     
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Aaaaaah, now that looks like a workstation build to me!!!

Well done Terrere!


I agree the HD6450 is absolutely fine for this application.

The FSP group gold+ rated units are pretty decent quality for the money. At the time of purchase it's worth comparing the price of a rosewill capstone 450W as that is technically a slightly better PSU. Go with whichever is cheaper or if the price is similar lean towards the capstone IMO. (I've used both in builds, they seem fine).

The fractal core 1000 is pretty limited on cable management and such. It's a no frills, blacked out, basic looking box that is built well enough that you shouldn't expect t bleed when you build inside of it.

If the machine is going to have a low profile GPU I think it's worth looking at smaller profile computer cases for the matx build than the source 210 or even the micro-mid-towers I was suggesting.

Best of luck,
Eric

It is quite literally the build you suggested with a different case and GPU XD I do agree that this is a much better fit for what I was needing. thumb.gif Many thanks. 8 Threads vs 6 threads with higher IPC and lower power consumption is definitely worth the extra $100 per system.

I had to ask since I have no personal experience with FSP group power supplies. The reviews I read on it look pretty favorable though.

As far as the case goes, the source 210 has cable management and is very basic looking as well. I don't really know many cases at the price point that are constructed well AND offer a smaller profile. The Source 210 and Fractal Core 1000 are about the smallest cases with good construction that I am familiar with (Or have been introduced to recently). headscratch.gif

I definitely am thankful for the suggestion since this build will definitely last for quite a while in that office.
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I made a booboo..

The E3-1220 doesn't have hyper-threading like I thought. That starts at the E3-1230 frown.gif

I apologize for the mislead on that.
     
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I made a booboo..

The E3-1220 doesn't have hyper-threading like I thought. That starts at the E3-1230 frown.gif

I apologize for the mislead on that.

wth.gif I really should have looked at that better then. It's still going to beat out the 6300 in basic performance anyway. I honestly don't think that we will see issues with 4 core single thread, just won't have as good of performance as more threads. Is the E3-1230 the same socket as the 1220?

EDIT: Once I start looking at building the actual machines, I may just opt to pay the extra $30 for hyperthreading. I left some wiggle room in the quote budget, so I should be alright. Thanks for letting me know that biggrin.gif I could have been losing a hair's breadth of performance to a 6300 on that database wink.gif
Edited by Terrere - 10/24/13 at 6:48am
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Since this has turned into an Intel based build, should I request it to be moved to the Intel General thread or another appropriate forum subgroup?
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An update for those who were helping me with this: The business accepted my quote but rejected the software manufacturer's upgrade quote. My quote was just under $2,300 for parts and assembly. The quote for the software was in the neighborhood of $5k for just a few features that they don't need. I will be installing the older software onto the newly built machines and doing basic setup. Thanks all for your insights and ideas!

I am currently ordering the following setups for the builds:

Database Host and Insurance System:
Xeon E3-1230 V2
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
ASUS Silent 5450
Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2x8GB)
Seagate Constellation ES 3 1TB 128MB Cache x 2
Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit
ASUS DVD-RW
NZXT Source 210
FSP Aurum 400W 80+ Gold

Front Desk (Replacing a laptop):
Xeon E3-1230 V2
Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
ASUS Silent 5450
Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2x8GB)
Seagate Constellation ES 3 1TB 128MB Cache x 2
Windows 7 Pro 64-Bit
ASUS DVD-RW
NZXT Source 210
FSP Aurum 400W 80+ Gold
ASUS VS198D LCD Monitor

On these machines, I had planned on doing a clone with Norton Ghost. Would it be better to put them in a Raid 1 since it mirrors? I want to have the least amount of downtime, if they are cloning + backup solutions would that be sufficient or should I set up the dual HDDs in the RAID. Honestly, I know that either will work for the situation. I'm just having trouble deciding which one would have more benefits. On the one hand, cloning + backup would have less wear on the secondary HDD than RAID, but if they haven't backed up all day and the clone fails then they are set back to the previous day. If I do RAID, there are of course performance issues, but the data stays virtually synced.

A clone is a better solution. If data is deleted or corrupted, the clone can be used to restore it. A RAID 1 is going to mirror the loss.
Edited by Terrere - 11/5/13 at 12:07pm
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Don't forget to create images of the disk once you're done installing, updating, setting up accounts, permissions, up time and what not. It would help just in case you have to reinstall OS and software for whatever reason (malware) - even if you clone the drives.
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Don't forget to create images of the disk once you're done installing, updating, setting up accounts, permissions, up time and what not. It would help just in case you have to reinstall OS and software for whatever reason (malware) - even if you clone the drives.

I have a drive, since they are the same basic set up, that I will use for the image. thumb.gif Good looking out though! I had almost forgotten that I needed to do an image before installing the majority of additional stuff.
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