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Well, I spent the greater part of the day leak testing my build, and it failed... But not for the reason that you think. The first of the three leaks came from the CPU block. In my earlier attempt to polish the acrylic from the inside, several months ago, I had inadvertently shifted the gasket a few centimeters and sealed it. The shift happened under the EK disc logo, so it would have been hard to see looking straight on.

Leak number two came from the C48's I had connecting the north and south bridges to the CPU. They leaked like a mofo, but I'm glad I had a dozen extra C47's laying around to replace them. Both leaks were very visible, and came out in small streams rather than droplets. I wasn't too happy about it, seeing as those C47's were a last minute purchase decision on my part to try them out.

The third leak came from the most unassuming places... The FrozenQ reservoir. At first I thought there might be a problem with the plumbing in that area, so I dried off the area, checked it, double checked, and filled it again. And the only place that seemed to be leaking was the bottom of the reservoir at the lower point of the tilted axis I have it on. It is face down, with the acrylic window, gasket, and screws facing downwards, but that shouldn't affect the quality of it. Honestly, I'm not sure why it would leak, other that it being a faulty unit, so I may go with another reservoir design and try and rework the plumbing in that upper area.

With the exception of the reservoir leak, the other two leaks were quickly repaired. I also did a final lighting test with the PSU installed, and all of them fired up without a hitch. No short circuiting.

As for the flow indicators it's really hard to tell if they're water tight, because the water didn't get far enough into the loop to fill them up enough to test their leak durability. Not only that, but the leaking water from the reservoir above cascaded down onto them, so it's difficult to say what that outcome could have been. One thing I did take notice about filling this loop from where I have the fill point is that it filled the loop in the reverse direction of how it's going to flow. This is also another reason why I will have to rethink the pump & reservoir setup. Honestly though, it may be a matter of making some adjustments to what I already have, but at the same time, it might be advantageous to have the loop filled that way. The downside is that hardly any of the water went inside the reservoir and to the pump.

I also added some rubber u-channel to the cage piece in the front, and I also created another mod for the side cage mesh, but after painting it and installing the hardware, the lighting conditions weren't all that great. I'll post pictures once it's completely installed.

Here is where the reservoir is leaking:




And for the record, here is how the loop is set up. Sorry about the excessive amount of arrows.


Edited by ProfeZZor X - 3/14/14 at 7:21pm
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After removing and tweaking that leaky FrozenQ Flex res, I managed to flip it over so that I can see inside. Even with the screws tightened as much as possible, I can still see and feel a little seepage. Whether or not this'll be an ongoing thing, I don't know. All I can say is that it seemed pretty solid during the two hours I had the loop flowing. I'm also happy to report that all of the flow indicators are solid and have no leak issues whatsoever. Neither do any of the C47's I have setup throughout the build. The only thing that I seem to be having a major problem with is the CPU block. I took it off last week and resealed it with the gasket properly aligned and in place, but for whatever reason, it now leaks at the top. Not by a lot, but enough that I need to remove it again to check the source.

I did get one of the flow indicators to revolve, with the others hinting at the directions they'll be flowing in based on the water current - so after I get the CPU block water tight, I'll test it again. The old D5 that I had also seems to be pulling its weight too. I originally removed it from my other build a couple of years ago because it was making a really bad grinding noise. It did the same thing at first when I fired it up today for the leak test, but it soon fell back into the same mechanical humming noise that most properly working D5's generate. That, and the churning of bubbles inside.
Edited by ProfeZZor X - 3/17/14 at 10:01pm
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So far I've managed to clear out 98% of the bubbles inside the loop, but now there appears to be a pressure issue that won't allow all of the flow indicators to fully turn. They rock back and forth, but they don't make full turns. The four that aren't turning do have small bubbles inside the chamber, but those bubbles don't appear to be restricting the pin wheel. I'm beginning to consider going back to my original plan and have two D5's to push the flow. Because with the reservoir to pump, to 360 to flow indicators, I'm beginning to think that the water pressure has slowed down once it leaves the radiator. So, if I do a configuration of reservoir/pump/radiator/pump/flow indicator, the pressure might increase a lot more.

Before I do that though, I'm going to try one last ditch effort by rerouting the connecting points where the acrylic enters the flow indicator chambers to see if that solves the problem. Basically, I'll use the optional inlets on the sides of the flow indicators instead of them connecting from the top. That way, the flow will be channeled from side to side instead of from the top to the side. With any luck, that should drive the pin wheel to flow in the direction that it should. If that doesn't work, then I'll go with the dual pump idea.

In the mean time, here's a video of how those flow indicators look like now. Since I've shot this video, there are little to no bubbles inside the chambers and the wheels are still stagnant:


Edited by ProfeZZor X - 3/18/14 at 12:02pm
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are they directional? seems thet one that is working well is the one that the inlet port is off center. i imagine if the water hits the wheel in the center, the water or wheel doesn't know which way to go. i can't tell the flow in the video so sorry if i am repeating info already known.
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are they directional? seems thet one that is working well is the one that the inlet port is off center. i imagine if the water hits the wheel in the center, the water or wheel doesn't know which way to go. i can't tell the flow in the video so sorry if i am repeating info already known.

At this point I don't care which direction they flow in, as long as they work and spin. That's kind of the whole purpose of why I created this - to be different, creative, and challenge myself in mechanical logistics.

Shortly after I posted that video, I got to work on some acrylic bending to change up the inlet/outlet arrangements, in hopes that it'll help the pin wheel spin. I still have one more bend to create, then I'll put it back together for testing.
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This is going to sound so stupid so I'll apologize in advance rolleyes.gif
Did you put the little wheel guides on the pin to stop the wheel sliding sideways backwards and forwards across the pin ??
Mine came with them in the accessory bag (not pre-installed)
I fitted them (the guides) in frustration at the noise that the wheel turning made mad.gif
They didn't help reduce noise level frown.gif but did keep wheel central on the pin, and depending on how hard you pushed the guides against the wheel controlled how fast the wheel spun.
If pushed too hard against the wheel - 1 each side - it could / would cause the wheel to not spin.

Hope you get it sorted thumb.gif
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This is going to sound so stupid so I'll apologize in advance rolleyes.gif
Did you put the little wheel guides on the pin to stop the wheel sliding sideways backwards and forwards across the pin ??
Mine came with them in the accessory bag (not pre-installed)
I fitted them (the guides) in frustration at the noise that the wheel turning made mad.gif
They didn't help reduce noise level frown.gif but did keep wheel central on the pin, and depending on how hard you pushed the guides against the wheel controlled how fast the wheel spun.
If pushed too hard against the wheel - 1 each side - it could / would cause the wheel to not spin.

Hope you get it sorted thumb.gif

I didn't think to use those, but even without them installed, the water current just didn't seem strong enough to push them. The wheels seemed to center themselves in the middle of the pin when the water was flowing, so because of that, it lead me to believe it was the water pressure.

After creating some longer 90 degree angles yesterday to fix the problem, now I'm encountering a balancing issue. The previous setup had a tighter center of gravity whereby the acrylic was centering off the column of indicators. With the newer setup and a wider distance from the center of gravity, the indicators don't seem to want to square off and level out. One idea would be to use a couple of strategically placed fishing wires to hold up the structure to level out, but my goal is to ideally have it suspended on its own. So, I'm a little reluctant to try that fishing line option. Honestly, I like the newer design of the acrylic tubes. So if I can get them to align perfectly and level out, then I'll leave them... And hopefully, the water will flow more efficiently enough to propel the wheels.

Here's the newer flow design I came up with:




Oh, and here's that other little mod I did, utilizing the mesh to create a backplate for the temperature monitor. This will fit in the area near the pump, to cover up that area. The reason why I chose the mesh over the acrylic to create that L-shaped cover plate is for easy access and minimize dust cleanup.

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Originally Posted by alpenwasser View Post

Haven't stopped by here in a while, but oh boy is this ever going into
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I'll attempt to bring closure to those flow indicators before the end of the weekend. The problem that I'm having is lining them up so that they're level when you look at them from the front of the case. It's difficult to do so with the revised loop I created, but I'm determined to pull it off.
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It's been a long time coming, but here's the latest... I did manage to create new ports for the acrylic tubing to enter the flow indicators, thus altering the trajectory of the water flow. As a result, I'm happy to report that I was successful in getting the pin wheels to turn... However, the top pin wheel seems to be stagnant like before, so I guess I'll have to rearrange that one too, in order for the entire setup to spin as they should. I'm really happy with the results, and I can't wait to finish this build and start using it. I still have some things to buy, but it's out of desire instead of necessity.

Anyway, as you can clearly see in the video below, the air pockets or position of the pin wheel inside the flow chamber had little to do with the wheels spinning, but rather the direction of the water. While I was sitting on the side of the case and filling up the reservoir, I had no idea the wheels were actually spinning until I accidentally spilled some water and noticed 4 of them. So, rather than explain it, I thought I'd take some quick cell phone video of it... In a way it's very tranquil and peaceful to look at, because of the silence and Zen-like motion of the pin wheels spinning both left and right, but I'm sure it'll be a bit noisier once I have the fans going. But before I get to that point, I'll redesign the output for that top flow indicator to match the others, then I can finally move on to something else.


Edited by ProfeZZor X - 3/28/14 at 12:48pm
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