Originally Posted by dmasteR
Frederick who's a developer for BF4 as well as BF3 has confirmed on live stream that BF4 has a improved client side hit detection compared to BF3.
Its 100% client sided. If you actually think this game uses a hybrid system you're extremely mistaken. There's absolutely no server verification in this game.
EDIT: Data injection is just so easy on BF3 it's hilarious. If there was truly server verification, I wouldn't be able to data inject so easily.
The amount of traffic and load that goes in a BF3 server also proves the lack of server verification.
This is the post from Alan Kertz. There are some other posts out there that go into details about it as well.
We don't use a pure client side hit detection, we use a hybrid hit detection system where client hits are verified on the server. In order to do this correctly the server maintains a history list of player positions. Even when we used a server side hit detection system we did this. When a player fires the server rolls back in history to view the shot based on the position of the two players from the perspective of the shooter. The game rolls back based on the shooters ping, within a reasonable amount. This sometimes results in the victim taking a hit from a position behind a wall.
Hybrid hit detectiongives us far better hit detection for the shooter than we ever had on a purely server based system. Long time players know just how frustrating it would be to get a big blood splatter and a clear hit and have the server disagree. Hybrid hit detection actually fixes that problem without any change to th victim experience.
Finally, the biggest issue we have in battlefield is actually on net code. Without going into details, the amount of updates we need to send to support all the gameplay details would throttle most bandwidth connections if we sent every frame. Therefor we send at a lower rate and use client prediction to interpolate between those updates. I'm not happy that means we have a longer than ideal delay for sending hits and damage to the victim from the server. The reality is that it's not trivial to fix, which isn't a great excuse, but it's definitely on our radar. Frankly, the benefits of being able to support the vast battlefields and variety of game play technically is worth the trade offs to me.
Whether it really is or isn't hybrid really isn't the most important part, though. It's that being 100% server sided wouldn't exactly be an improvement like some people seem to think.
Originally Posted by Dromihetes
This is my opinion and you can interpret it as you want.The telemetry stuff they have in the origin and their plugins are things that i wouldn t need.
The plugins are loaded even now when you post on this forum , if you are using the PC.This plug ins are not loaded when i am playing BF BC2 for example
BF BC2 and BF2 did well without them.
You can also see stats in BF2 and BFBC2 if this is the main purpose of playing for you.
The game runs crappy on my machine in spite of the fact BF 3 runs ok.
If it uses so much CPU then so be it i will not buy it ,there are others to buy it.
Gameplay wise is atroceous for guys that like tanks.
It seems that BF 2 Special Forces times will never return and only BF BC2 revived a little that feeling kept deep in my brain ,never had so much fun with a FPS as with that maybe except SWAT4 .
The game is going towards COD crowd and so be it.
I am sure that many other older players that played BF 2 share some of my opinions as they did with BF3 and got banned on the EA
Anyway this is the first game where lowering detail does nothing.A FX 6300 at 4,3Ghz should run it as they advertise it s multicore
optimized ,maybe the have uploaded the wrong version though
AMD optimized yes indeed .
if i would be AMD i would ask for the money back if they sponsored it.
Call it BF3.1. DICE ,it s just a DLC.
I'll just avoid the topic of what Origin does.
Stats aren't the main purpose that I play Battlefield 3 or 4 or any game for that matter.. I don't really pay attention to stats xD I was getting at that all that stuff as well as much more are all in one place with Battlelog whereas normally you'd have to go to third party sites to find things like stats. The reason why I like Battlelog is because it's simply much faster, easier and smoother to use than an in-game browser.
The first day I play I had some performance issues, but the game run pretty well for me now and I don't even have that powerful of a rig by any means.
Vehicle gameplay was fine for me. I guess that really comes down to opinion.
I really can't agree that BF4 is going towards the CoD crowd and I would actually say quite the opposite. Battlefield 4 is much closer to Battlefield 2 than BF3 was and definitely more than Bad Company 2. The funny thing about you mentioning that BF2 players would agree because even some of the biggest skeptics over at MordorHQ feel BF4 has catered much more to Battlefield veterans than BF3.
Again, this game is in beta so performance isn't 100% optimized. You shouldn't be playing the beta thinking this is how the final game will perform. As for being AMD optimized, I believe BF4 is actually going to make use of AMD Mantle which will net a performance boost to any GCN based AMD cards. At least I believe that's what's going on. Again, right now the game is not optimized. Performance should be much better after release.
You can keep saying it's just BF3.1 but it's really not the case. BF4 makes some pretty big changes to the core gameplay and while it might feel and look similar to BF3, the game will play out much different with a much heavier emphasis on team-work with the inclusion of commander. Destruction has been improved massively and I would even say it goes beyond that of BC2's or at least what I've seen and experienced myself. Naval looks really fun especially with the new water physics. Simply being a much more refined game should means gameplay should feel more solid and from what I've play of the beta, it definitely feels that way, although I know some people have had issues. Again, though, it's a beta.
Originally Posted by Peter Nixeus
Is the BETA open for public now? Looking to download this and give it a run at the office since my bosses are out of town!
Yessir! Has been for a few days now.