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http://en-de.sennheiser.com/pc-363d-surround-sound-gaming-headset



Color
black

Wearing style
Headband

Impedance
Headphone: 50 Ω
Microphone: 2 kΩ

Connector
2 x 3.5 mm for desktop/laptop PC

Frequency response (microphone)
50 - 16000 Hz

Frequency response (headphones)
15 – 28000 Hz

Sound pressure level (SPL)
Headphone: 112 dB

Ear coupling
Around-the-ear, open acoustic design

Cable length
2 + 1,2 m

Pick-up pattern
Noise canceling

Sensitivity as per 121 TR 9-5
-38 dBV/Pa

I just bought these recently, I wanted to ask a few questions that have bothered me for a while. I tried looking for answers on the internet but can't find any solid information. I am hoping someone who knows what they are talking about can help me out.

During the Windows Configuration, there is a option to select "full-range" speakers. Should I enable this?

Also, by default my sample rate is only 16bit, should I change it higher? Will changing any of these settings damage my headset? I don't know much about audio, please help!
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During the Windows Configuration, there is a option to select "full-range" speakers. Should I enable this?

Also, by default my sample rate is only 16bit, should I change it higher? Will changing any of these settings damage my headset? I don't know much about audio, please help!

I would choose full range.

Set the highest bit rate that you can. But ideally, the play back bit rate should be the same as the bit rate of the source (ie CDs are 24/96). But on board sound and sound cards do so much with oversampling / under sampling that it hard to tell what's right. Trial and error is best.
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I would choose full range.

Set the highest bit rate that you can. But ideally, the play back bit rate should be the same as the bit rate of the source (ie CDs are 24/96). But on board sound and sound cards do so much with oversampling / under sampling that it hard to tell what's right. Trial and error is best.

Well I play mostly videogames, it would be a pain to have to change it for each source material. Why don't the developers just make it automatically detect and use the best sample rates?
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Originally Posted by billbartuska View Post

I would choose full range.

Set the highest bit rate that you can. But ideally, the play back bit rate should be the same as the bit rate of the source (ie CDs are 24/96). But on board sound and sound cards do so much with oversampling / under sampling that it hard to tell what's right. Trial and error is best.

Well I play mostly videogames, it would be a pain to have to change it for each source material. Why don't the developers just make it automatically detect and use the best sample rates?
Video game audio is completely different than playing music files (MP3, FLAC, etc.). And that setting 16 or 24 bit has nothing to do with game audio.
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I see, ok. I've tested it with full-range turned on and off. I can't notice a difference other than one sounds louder in stereo and increases the sound stage when using 4 speaker, 5.1 or 7.1. The quality is pretty much equal. I think I'll just leave it off as it was already off when I installed the drivers.

I wish I could get a definitive answer for this.
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Windows always sets the front speakers as full-range, only the rear/side speakers are not classified as full-range on default.
What full-range speakers mean is that each speaker can produce full sound spectrum, and not just mid to high sounds. So when you don't set them as full-range speakers the lower sounds are cut out as the subwoofer handles them (crossover frequency).

Windows classifies front speakers as full-range mainly because the subwoofer is usually/always in the front speaker channel. 5.1/7.1 is an exception.
And all the other speakers are not classified as full-range on default because 90% of the users have plastic cans (Logitech/etc.) as their speakers that can't produce the full sound spectrum.

But because we are talking about virtual surround/Dolby Headphones the effects are minimal. Pick whichever setting floats your boat, full-range "should" be the best option.

As for the bit/samplerate:
Quote:
- Keep Sample Rate at 44.1 kHz , this is generally valid for most media (games, movies, music), while video DVDs use 48 kHz. Increasing Sample Rate without having a source thats encoded at a higher sample rate won’t improve sound quality and in fact it might degrade it.

- (Windows Vista/7/8 only) : Setting the Windows audio playback to 24 bit might improve audio quality. Right click on volume icon in tray, select Playback devices, double click on (Speakers) Xonar card , go to Advanced tab and in the Default format entry select 24 bit 44100 Hz (studio quality). Picture here. While you can change this to 32 bit, this is not recommended. Many Xonar cards only support up to 24 bit and even if this wouldn’t be the case, setting Windows audio playback to 32 bit won’t have any improvement in quality compared to 24 bit.

Edited by Tiihokatti - 10/4/13 at 12:31am
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Originally Posted by Tiihokatti View Post

Windows always sets the front speakers as full-range, only the rear/side speakers are not classified as full-range on default.
What full-range speakers mean is that each speaker can produce full sound spectrum, and not just mid to high sounds. So when you don't set them as full-range speakers the lower sounds are cut out as the subwoofer handles them (crossover frequency).

Windows classifies front speakers as full-range mainly because the subwoofer is usually/always in the front speaker channel. 5.1/7.1 is an exception.
And all the other speakers are not classified as full-range on default because 90% of the users have plastic cans (Logitech/etc.) as their speakers that can't produce the full sound spectrum.

But because we are talking about virtual surround/Dolby Headphones the effects are minimal. Pick whichever setting floats your boat, full-range "should" be the best option.

As for the bit/samplerate:

I have Windows 8, I can change the sample rate of the headphones to 24bit 96khz, this is higher than 24bit 44100hz. Should I just use this setting?
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24bit/44100Hz is the way to go. As the quote says:
Quote:
Increasing Sample Rate without having a source thats encoded at a higher sample rate won’t improve sound quality and in fact it might degrade it.
The 44100Hz is the sample rate, not bit rate.

E: But in general the effects are minimal. The 24bit/44,1kHz are just good all-arounder settings.
Edited by Tiihokatti - 10/4/13 at 12:46am
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