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The corsair Cx series 600m OEM Seasonic KitGuru gives it very good score as well as others.

CX series are not Seasonic

Only Seasonic CX was the 400
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This is stupid! The CX series is reliable and tests have proved the CX series delivers it's rated power even over the rated 30c, Plus you already admitted they are not dangerous. I don't understand the issue here. For the very low price you get a nice unit that delivers its rated wattage, And a unit that is reliable. You have failed to make a valid point on why you should not buy a CX series unit. Basically all you say is it is not good. And your only reason for not buying the CX430 is because it is $25 and you say people should not buy a $25 dollar psu, Again no reasoning just a opinion. Example the Seasonic 520 has 40 amps on the 12v rail with 480watts, pretty nice PSU for the money. Then at around the same price you can also get a Corsair CX600, And it has 46 amps on the 12v rail and 552watts. Both are reliable and safe units, So it is obvious the CX600 is the better value, But I admit the Seasonic is at a good price and is a good value and I would recommend it as a budget unit along with the CX series. However with the higher rated CX600 You have more headroom for overclocking and you can run a higher wattage GPU with it. Basically you get more for the dollar, So if your answer to this is the Seasonic will last longer, That is still a opinion. However the amperage, wattage and price range is not opinion.
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I agree with KitGurus conclusion ...
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If you need an inexpensive modular power supply, but aren’t willing to accept a ‘cheap n nasty’ no name brand then this should be right at the top of your shortlist.

Where I'd be fine with a CX "Builder" series for a machine for my mother-in-law to do e-mails or someone to do office work ..... OTOH, I'd be hard pressed to recommend it to a "regular" here on OCN for the same reason I don't recommend the same tires for my MIL's 4 door sedan as I put on the Porsche 911. Note the statements in the review.....
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If you have a very limited budget but need a reliable power supply ....

This Builder Series range is specifically designed to target the budget audience ....

The testing is done for conformance with the ATX standard .... which is again fine for budget oriented systems but for example where the ATX standard allows for 5% voltage variation, serious overclockers should settle for no more than 1% .... this PSU actually does quite well here .... at least the test unit did .... have seen other units of same model at > 5% ..... and lest we foirget....review samples are oft "different" from what the general public sees. Corsair gives it 3 year warranty indicating that their own assessment of the unit's quality is not in the same category as their other lines

TX = 5 years
HX = 7 years

So, in short what I'm saying is, while I can agree that the CX is a solid choice for mass market system builders or even PC hobbyists looking for mild overclocks on a tight budget, I can't call it a great PSU for the hardcore PC enthusiast looking to maximize the performance of his PC.,,,,if ya spending money on 3rd party coolers......whatever ya spend on that should be added to the cost of ya PSU.

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The CX series is reliable and tests have proved the CX series delivers it's rated power even over the rated 30c, .......You have more headroom for overclocking and you can run a higher wattage GPU with it. Basically you get more for the dollar, So if your answer to this is the Seasonic will last longer, That is still a opinion. However the amperage, wattage and price range is not opinion.


Amps is not the only factor in overclocking .... quality of power and stability is also a factor. Enthusiast MoBos have multi phase power regulation designed to maintain stable voltages to the CPU .... same with the VRMs on GFX cards ..... they have a harder time doing that when the supply voltage keeps changing.

As power demands spike up and down while gaming, these VRMs wrestle to maintain stable voltages and they also have to deal with "dirty" power. While these are certain minimums to avoid actually damaging something, and most CX units stay within those boundaries, that's not the same as saying that it is "good enough" to reach your highest OC's.

http://www.overclock.net/t/719397/on-ripple-and-its-effects-on-overclocking

An PSU which has lotta watts and is good enough to meet the ATX spec and "not to damage anything" doesn't mean that it has low enough noise and / or high enough stability so as not to drop a potential 4.7-4.8 Ghz OC to a lower value .

Again, OCN's audience is generally focused at the extreme end of PC performance. To use an analogy, it should be understood that when someone says you won't win any races with a [pick any good reliable automobile here] it's said in the context that the everyday chatter here in "automotive parlance" is not on getting on the highway and accelerating to speed "without dying" ..... it's on on attaining sub 4.0 second 0 - 60 times and sub 12.0 second quarter miles.
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Shilka - To be honest with you man, I really don't know what your intentions are when you start threads like this, but It seems that your doing more harm than good to those people who already owns a CX PSU, and potential CX buyers . I'm just not seeing the reason why you keep running this agenda "Why you should not buy brand X PSU" (as you have claimed, it's not only Corsair). Actual CX users have provided you positive feedback, their own experience with the PSU, tell you how happy they are, how solid the PSU is, and yet you go at it and try to discourage them. Why do you have to be so dismissive? Wouldn't it be much better if you just say "Very glad to hear that it's working out for you"? as oppose to being so pessimistic about it.
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If you dont have anything useful to say others have not already said then go away

And please be considerate.You're a smart guy, I'm pretty sure that there are better ways to disagree, not something like this.
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I would never buy a RM 750 if for example a friend of mine were to say that their RM is okay when tests clearly shows that I can get something better for example Leadex.. He's just advising people to purchase other better brands that cost the same, a little more or even less.. Corsair doesn't like it, and a lot of people seem to agree with him..
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The basic premise is there, even if I don't agree with all the points or tactics.

The reality is that plenty of people buy CX power supplies when other options are superior*. It happens for almost everything on the market but more so for Corsair CX because of the price and brand**. It's primarily because most people don't feel like or have the time to do research on other options—frequently there's something else on sale, after all.


*It's when there's an unbalance that a PSA-type thread is more useful, don't you think? Can you really be that surprised? If you're on top, wear it as a mark of pride because you've earned it. This kind of unbalance can also occur when a product is much more expensive and poor than it should be and is being bought at normal rates as opposed to not at all, but that's not what's happening with Corsair.

**You know, that's why everyone starts in the mid-to-high end and diversifies downwards after building a reputation. Nothing special. You can't exactly fault CX power supplies for being worse than TX or for Corsair building up a more premium reputation.


Also, a lot of times Corsair talks about customer support and RMAs and so on, but note that support in some countries is not as good as in others. If some other brand handles things in your own country but Corsair does not, that is a factor to consider, for example.
post #128 of 230
Shilka is giving is know how/advice about the CX series, he is trying to help people make a good choice with a given budget, no need to be offended with anything, I agree with what he said and i own a CX430 for my office build for the price i think it was a good PSU for what i do with that PC.
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The "problem" here is that the guy efficiently supports his claims. He doesn't just say "x PSU is bad". He also offers an explanation and some relatively reliable resources that back him up.

Of course the ones affected don't like it. It hurts sales.

What really bothers the affected companies though, is that they don't have the means to counter his claims. Almost every PSU nowadays is assembled in China, component resources are more or less the same between them using parts from specific ranges, and the same dozen of OEMs and known platforms are used from all manufacturers each time period.

So if Coolermaster for example prices their V series 850 watt power supply more than the Corsair AX860 or the Seasonic X KM3 850 equivalents, then there is no reason to get it. All 3 are the same internally and all are made by the same company. Getting the more expensive one doesn't make sense.


Edit: Gotta admit that Shilka kinda over-supports his advices but sometimes the end user is too stubborn to listen and a little "push" is needed.
Edited by PsyM4n - 2/12/14 at 4:51pm
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Shilka - To be honest with you man, I really don't know what your intentions are when you start threads like this, but It seems that your doing more harm than good to those people who already owns a CX PSU, and potential CX buyers . I'm just not seeing the reason why you keep running this agenda "Why you should not buy brand X PSU" (as you have claimed, it's not only Corsair). Actual CX users have provided you positive feedback, their own experience with the PSU, tell you how happy they are, how solid the PSU is, and yet you go at it and try to discourage them. Why do you have to be so dismissive? Wouldn't it be much better if you just say "Very glad to hear that it's working out for you"? as oppose to being so pessimistic about it.
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And please be considerate.You're a smart guy, I'm pretty sure that there are better ways to disagree, not something like this.

I think his intentions were pretty well represented in what he said. The point he's trying to make is, don't blindly buy something based on the brand name (especially PSUs), because brand name doesn't really mean anything in that area.

The majority of people hanging around this site (being called what it is) aren't looking to build an office machine to open PDFs and DOCXs. For this site's purpose, the lower end CX series are not the best option. They're also not the worst option.

In other words, buying the Channel Well Technology or CWT DSAII PSUs isn't the greatest decision for overclocking, and some of them just happen to have Corsair CX stickers all over them.
Edited by zooterboy - 2/12/14 at 5:01pm
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