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I'd go with ESET. Severely underrated, and the best for my uses.
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I'd go with ESET. Severely underrated, and the best for my uses.

used to run with ESET too a year or so ago before I was given Sophos Endpoint integration. It seemed legit in terms of protection and usability etc.
    
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Those extra few seconds of bootup/shutdown make a difference. I'd rather just not run one considering I've never encountered a personal virus in my time on a computer. But that's just me. For those who feel the need, I liked NOD32.

so what exactly are you going to do with those extra seconds of your life?
Let's weigh the cost / benefit here.....
It's like speeding an extra 10 mph to get to your destination a couple of minutes earlier while risking a far more severe crash.....
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Every other free anti-virus is bloated though. sad-smiley-002.gif

Quoted has higher end CPU, a SSD, and 16GB of RAM and complains about bloatness of AVs ...WHAT!?

Actual preformance testing of AVs while doing other things as well....on a lower-medium range CPU and 4GB OF RAM.....

Ironically Avast and Nortons uses far less resources than MSE ('Summarized results', page 11)
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Originally Posted by Scorched912 View Post

So that'd explain why I haven't gotten a virus in about 4 years, yeah? No, you really don't need an AV if you actually have a moderate understanding of viruses.

drive-by malware. Good luck detecting that. Only a dumbass would create malware that is user detectable / noticeable (unless it's designed to do so like randomware).

There's a OCN'er who's a certified white hat hacker, I know a guy who has worked corporate IT security for 15+ years and I know a programmer who can easily (and has done so) created malware (for penetration testing purposes) and can bypass all AV engine virus signature detection if he wanted to. Yes, captchas and email verification is basically useless as well as he can bypass / workaround them as well (much fun to be had with say online competitions / online vote rigging lol).

Although like a chemistry teacher and 'certain drugs', he knows how to do it, he doesn't exploit it and only whips it out for fun like vote and competition rigging for the LOLS.

They've all said although consumer AVs are weak vs. very targeted attacks (i.e. if they really want to target you), but they offer protection for a number of malware that you will not detect simply by 'common sense' or 'noticing'. Also they all said MSE is a total joke and mindnumbingly easy to bypass vs. other AVs.

mmm...whose opinions would I trust more and hold in higher regard more eh? Them or you.....

And why do people hold onto outdated beliefs..
Malware evolves so you cannot hold onto old opinions and myths like:

All outdated

* Norton is crap / slow. [Uses FAR less resources than MSE now ha!]
* I don't visit 'dodgy sites' so I'm safe.
* Apple / OSX / Linux gets no viruses.
* The best is MSE / NOD32 / AVG.
* 'Common sense' is all I need.
* AVs slow down the system / too resource hogging (even more laughable on this site with gamer / high end rigs)

Links via Facebook ads / referrals are far more dangerous than links from 'dodgy sites'.
Also it is mindnumbing if you don't have mobile AV protection and password and anti-thief protection for your smartphone, particularly considering how much sensitive information is on your phone....

Facebook and Android, the two fastest growing targets for malware.
Android is much easier to get infected apps on than iOS, due to the Apple store actually screening for app malware before it going on the App store unlike Android, where basically anything goes. Sure, Apple does it halfassed-ly via screening the code for about 30 seconds, but at least it's something vs. absolutely nothing for Android / Google Play store.

Also really, don't use Acrobat Reader and for other Adobe products that really don't have a viable alternative to use e.g. good luck with Internet video without Flash player, keep them up to date as much as possible.

For Acrobat Reader, there's a lot of good alternatives so no excuses for that.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 10/7/13 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by southernyankey1970 View Post

Flame suit on...


i see a lot of infected pc's in my daily travels as an ISP install tech and what I have concluded is this...You will never admit that you need A/V until it's too damn late! It really makes no difference how intelligent you (think you are) are or how many multi-thousand dollar gaming rigs you have built, if you continue to surf the web without some sort of protection you are playing Russian Roulette! I cannot begin to tell you how many times i have sat down at a customer's computer and watched in horror as it took 5 minutes to load the Google page because the brand new PC was bot ridden and full of God-knows-what else because the customer had no idea that they "needed" a decent A/V. My ISP offers Free Norton and I usually point them to the download location and tell them to install it and run it asap,and then I highly recommend buying Malwarebytes Pro. I can not afford to spend all day trying to clean out their system as I have 20 other places to be and it frustrates me to see so many badass systems in utter shambles because of ignorance...

Your brand new $2000 gaming laptop is going to run worse after I upgrade your service to an 8 channel bonded downstream beast of a modem that runs at 105/15 Mb/s because of all the bots/viruses that are already there and will go nuts using all your new bandwidth to do whatever it is they were designed to do hidden in your pc. Does this sound overly dramatic? I only wish that it was. I take care of my system by being prepared and by having a good backup plan. Anyone who surfs the net should do the same....

yeah, of course you dunno anything via real world experience and the 'No AV' brigade do....
Of course not..
post #145 of 233
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yeah, of course you dunno anything via real world experience and the 'No AV' brigade do....
Of course not..

let people learn the hard-way.

the easiest targets are the know-it-all's
post #146 of 233
Well, I've been using MSE on my comp for the past 3-ish years, and I haven't had any problems. I read this, and said, "Well, if they're just trying make people switch over because of their partners loosing business, they'd do something like this." But then again, there's always the possibility that MS is telling the truth, although less possible than the latter explanation.

Thing is, everybody needs antivirus, no matter how bad or good it is. I've ran without AV before I went over to MSE. Since it was basically integrated in the OS, I could just install it and forget about it, and that's exactly what it did. It didn't hurt to have it in there, and even though I didn't get any viruses without AV, still, it doesn't hurt to have some form of protection. So with that said, I went ahead and uninstalled MSE, and bought a license for mbam pro. I used the free version for getting viruses off of computers I repair, and it always got the job done. I love the spartan layout, it uses little resources (main executable take up around 100MB), the updates only take a few seconds, it's better all-around than MSE in terms of features and protection, and it gets tons of appraisal from websites making guides on how to remove "X" virus.

So even if you think you practice good web browsing habits, it doesn't hurt to have a good AV on your computer, well a Windows computer, at least tongue.gif
post #147 of 233
Ok so I was quite happy with the performance of MSE, in fact it reviewed very well when launched and has often been recommended over the past few years, so what has changed?
I would like to see more evidence before jumping ship, we have a lot of knowledgeable people on here, some I feel are being a little alarmist.

At the end of the day, a conversation I had with an employer quite a few years ago springs to mind. At the time we were being pretty much bombarded by security firms, as the internet was just taking off.
the company already had an enterprise level antivirus and a nice hardware firewall, all to protect an ISDN line.
The spend on security was spiralling, so I sat the bosses down and let them know that if anyone wanted to get into the system bad enough, they would manage it, the only surefire way of being 100% secure is to disconnect the network, both external and internal, and our aim was to keep out what we called script kiddies back then, and taking a more reasoned approach paid off.

The same goes for home use, Viruses as they were in the past, are not the same destructive hard drive deleting beasts like CIH. Even malware doesn't necessarily work alone. This is because criminals are not content in ruining your PC, they are more interested in personal details for fraud purposes, and these are much more easily obtained through social engineering, which bypasses every single A/V product because you 'trust' the communication.

I see a fair few recommendations for avast!, and yes I have looked at their products in the past, interestingly the store page has a special offer countdown that expires after 90 seconds, .... WHAT?? this is supposed to be security not Candy Crush!!!

so tread carefully fellow enthusiasts..... just my 2p smile.gif

p.s. I am not saying don't use any antivirus, examples of nasties still do exist but don't throw money at something because you feel frightened.
    
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Ok so I was quite happy with the performance of MSE, in fact it reviewed very well when launched and has often been recommended over the past few years, so what has changed?

malware evolved.

To use another analogy:

'I had a flu jab a few years ago and it was great, so why do I have the flu now?' *cough* *sniff* *phlegm drips down throat*

Evidence:

http://www.mrg-effitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/MRG-Effitas-Real-Time-Protection-Test-Q1-20131.pdf

http://www.mrg-effitas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/MRG-Effitas-Online-Banking-Browser-Security-Assessment-Project-Q2-20132.pdf

http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparatives-reviews/

http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/home-user/windows-7/julaug-2013/
Edited by chinesekiwi - 10/7/13 at 5:14am
post #149 of 233
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

malware evolved.

To use another analogy:

'I had a flu jab a few years ago and it was great, so why do I have the flu now?' *cough* *sniff* *phlegm drips down throat*

I would say that pattern/engine updates should hopefully take care of that, it usually doesn't take long after one A/V firm updates their database for everyone else to follow suit.
just as the formula for a flu jab will be altered to suit, they don't just do it in one lab and tell everyone else to go do one! smile.gif

I see systems with expensive antivirus/malware protection installed have their browser hijacked and the system taken over, all too easy because the Link/Like/Yes button is pushed without a thought in the world, because "it's protected"
    
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^

updated my post with evidence on why MSE is crap.
Avast is quite good and free so the cost excuse is exactly just that. An excuse.
Comodo Firewall is free and is actually the best software firewall you can get as well.
Fantastic amount of features for freeware.

So much decent security freeware out there tbh.
Also Baker, surely user permission rights prevents browser hijacks in corporate / school environment.
Also I know the flu jabs are localised and made in multiple labs wink.gif
Edited by chinesekiwi - 10/7/13 at 5:19am
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