Originally Posted by schuck6566
lol,several people told him similar,he seems to think that that all hardware of same configurations should OC the same. Doesn't want to hear that cpu's OC differently because they've been used harder for years before this,memory by DIFFERENT makers has different results even if the settings are set the same, and boards run different in general depending how they've been used. 2 p5qpro's with 2 x5470's with 8 sticks of the same ram may have very different results with the same settings.
#1 one or the other cpu may be less capable then the other so will fail/not OC as well.
#2 Any 1 stick of the 8 could be older/more abused & less likely to hold up under an extreme OC /heat load. Very hard to find the 1 when always testing multiple sticks.
#3 one systems PSU may be giving low voltages or voltage spikes causeing test failures.
#4 one board or the other may have been abused by a previous owner
#5 local temps may be significantly different to cause overheating for air cooled systems on 1 board while the other is in a controled temp enviroment.
And THAT'S using the SAME settings on the "same" systems. @ least if 1 person does THIS,you know they are using the same definition of "stable" for their testing. What We do is similar,but without a set definition of STABLE. What's stable for member # 1 who is only using the rig for gaming,may be a disaster for member #2 who's using the rig for professional video work (where it's encoding the video)and storing it.(data corruption issue). Seems safe to say that unless the person is willing to PUT THE TIME INTO THE OC, that extreme OC's (4.5 & up) are only really viable for gaming. While base clock to 3.6 should be able to be achieved easier and on a more stable basis much more easily. between 3.6 and 4.5 seems to be where some work can give most of us a "stable for our needs" setting without driving us to the point of throwing the system off the balcony.
My point is that OC'ing is a work in progress. It takes time and effort to get your rig where you want it.If you're not willing,or unable to put the time in,then the OC won't happen. Just using another person's settings isn't likely to be the perfect answer.It may give you a place to start,but you'll most like still need to tweak your own.
Everything on AUTO doesn't count BTW. as tweaking.
should i consider your post as a personal attack?? for me it definetely is. ok so, i get the point.
Just to clarify somethings.
1º when telling people a place to start, you are not considering any of the aspects you said. Am i supposed to know if a component has been treated good or badly??Does even the owner know that?? Does any of your tips consider the same arguments as you are throwing at my face?? I'll have to see some of your posts, in case you did try "la bola de la bruja lola", to figure out if someone can or cannot do overclocking considering the real state of the hardware. When you advice someone you know in advantage if he/she can or cannot do that oc??? Or you just give them an idea??
I don't know if what bothered you was my statement saying " if they work for me, should work for you". Well, those options are standard. they are all around internet. They are even adviced in many guides of 775 overclocking. They will work in a big % with all people in his config.
2º his mobo is almost exactly the same as mine, except for very minor improvements, and not getting ddr3 support. My board will do very easily 4ghz. Almost any X5470 will do 4 ghz, and that board should handle that 100% sure.
3º every X5470, even the worst ones, will do 4ghz stable. Even degraded cpus will clock a bit less than expected but 4ghz?? come on..... Only those oced to the extreme and degraded by years of overvoltage will not do that, but it's not a thing we can know. When we give "our config" we just consider all the hardware is in good condition. If you have a way to see if a hardware is in good or bad condition, just with your imagination, well, just let us know.
4º in relation to ram settings, timings , voltage, and other things, may differ from one to another pc, so that's why i told him it could be NB overheating, Ram needing more voltage or even relaxing times? Where do you see a neglecting attitude or a bad advice in my post??
5º stable has to be put in context. stable for me may not be the same as stable for you, though we can share a minimum. For me the minimum is being able to pass one of this : prime 95 1 hour , IBT 20 pass, or linx 20 pass. If you are doing content creation, then you may want rock solid rig. If not, you can be going around at very high speed without having any issues, though knowing it's not stable. I told him that, so i don't know here where do you happen to see another neglectable attitude on my side.
6º it happens to be that the settings on auto i told him do not vary at all the system stability, since NB, SB, PCIE, GTL, are options that do not matter while only doing 4ghz. As he was going 800mhz ram, the mobo is perfectly capable of running auto timings (specially if ram training option is enable).They can be left perfecttly on auto. So, what you are trying to tell me, is that if anyone does not know his timings, but will run his memory stock, he should not use auto settings? you must be kidding.
Auto will work in almost all conditions, except if you are overclocking, WHICH HE WASN'T. You do not need to mess with that. Also consider the fact that he was "in his last try" so there is no point in telling him: well, you can try upping the voltage on only single option, changing every single timing, to see if you go spot on. So, when someone comes "in his last try" your option is "go for a lot of tries with all options???", that's nonsense, mate.
i should tell you i didn't expect such a personal attack. this is a bit disgusting. Well, weren't you the one that told me that "personal attacks" were not to be allowed??? (to refresh your memory, was between Tnlgg and me talking about stability). btw, i did apologize to Tnlgg in case my words had been misunderstood at that moment.