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This is the E5440 @492FSB:
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Originally Posted by DJ4g63t View Post

As requested thumb.gif X5460 at 4.27GHz
I've never run this benchmark before so I have no clue how good or bad this score is.


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Originally Posted by patentman View Post

Here it is one at 4.18Ghz



At 4.18Ghz hits the same score as a 4.28Ghz Xeon X5460
...there is a little secret in this.
As I have better scores in almost every other benchmark there.
It is the motherboard.
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Originally Posted by patentman View Post

This is the E5440 @492FSB:

At 4.18Ghz hits the same score as a 4.28Ghz Xeon X5460
...there is a little secret in this.
As I have better scores in almost every other benchmark there.
It is the motherboard.

Ram speeds can also change these benches.
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Thank's for so many replies. I already understood that my mobo isn't the best overclocker and looks like I have to forget abot overclocking. A little bit upsetting but ok. Now I'm gonna get extra 4GB of RAM. Thank's to everyone who helped me and this forum.
post #3024 of 12379
There is no need to be upset about overclocking.
Your E5440 is faster than what you need.
You could have a E5410 stock speed and still be fast.
What`s really slows you down is RAM. Get it and install win7 64.
Then it is HDD.

You should need overclocking for gaming and for video editing.
Then again gaming needs a fast GFX too.
And video editing no matter the cpu it takes a long time, except if you do simply things, like trimming.
Then there are a lot of programs that do trimming without re-encoding, meaning they maintain the quality but in addition they are not cpu intensive, they complete the task as fast as the HDD can. wink.gif

So, I don`t see a reason you don`t have a rocket fast system now you decided to get the RAM.
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Originally Posted by patentman View Post

Try this bios

P5Q-ASUS-2209-XEON5400.zip 701k .zip file

Load setup defaults as I said.
It should run OK doing so.
Look again what I had suggested, all the steps before and after bios update.

Those Xeons overclock with any heatsink.
It is not the heatsink, it is the cpu. wink.gif

I know that..lol The reason why I mentioned it, 'cause my cpu runs hotter than it should .
According to HWinfo clocked to 3.6 gig it runs about 55C-60C all 3 core on idle, but last core is almost 8-10C hotter.
My 8400 never run this hot, not even on 4.2 gig.
that chip hovered around 65c fully loaded on prime and gaming for hrs.
I suspect the 5450 might got cooked.
I bought it from a guy on ebay, he had a whole tray full of them.
Obviously a pull, and who knows what happened to that server what these cpu's came out from.
Thnx for the new bios.. appreciate that. I'll give it a whirl thumb.gif
post #3026 of 12379
I do video editing sometimes. But most of the time I use 3ds max and Unity.
Overclocking was just for fun. You know, try it out. I'm pretty happy with stock speeds. To get better performance I need more ram and faster hdd. I even have one 500Gb IDE HDD biggrin.gif
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Soon I'll be buying either an x5472 or an x5482 to install them on my asus P5Q se/r, I followed the guides on how to mod my bios to make it support other CPUs but I still don't understand how to determine the proper bin file to add using MMTOOL. I downloaded the latest microcodes from intel website and unpacked all the microcode *.bin files using microcode.exe. Now, how do I determine the ones to add to my P5Q se/r ROM? I searched on the thread for similar situations and a person actually made a P5Q se/r bios, but he was struggling with another CPU so I guess It's not properly my case. Thanks in advance.

P.S. I admit not doing an intense research on the post, but not fully understanding the process looking for an answer is rather difficult.
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Soon I'll be buying either an x5472 or an x5482 to install them on my asus P5Q se/r, I followed the guides on how to mod my bios to make it support other CPUs but I still don't understand how to determine the proper bin file to add using MMTOOL. I downloaded the latest microcodes from intel website and unpacked all the microcode *.bin files using microcode.exe. Now, how do I determine the ones to add to my P5Q se/r ROM? I searched on the thread for similar situations and a person actually made a P5Q se/r bios, but he was struggling with another CPU so I guess It's not properly my case. Thanks in advance.

P.S. I admit not doing an intense research on the post, but not fully understanding the process looking for an answer is rather difficult.

I have been using E5462 on P5Q PRO having WIN 8.1 installed. Its been running quite well and with no problems at all:

http://valid.canardpc.com/je3ybc


I used a modified BIOS that was posted in this thread somewhere. You have to search rolleyes.gif
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I have been using E5462 on P5Q PRO having WIN 8.1 installed. Its been running quite well and with no problems at all:

http://valid.canardpc.com/je3ybc


I used a modified BIOS that was posted in this thread somewhere. You have to search rolleyes.gif

I know I have to use a modded BIOS, the thing is that I'll have to make one adding the right xeon microcode to my current BIOS rom and reflashing it. My issue here is that I don't understand how to determine the proper microcode from the latest intel relase for these two specific CPUS (x5472/82). Once I understand the right one I know how to build it and flash it, that is not a problem for me.
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@Sosuke593
You should find all that you need in the first few posts of that thread.
The microcodes for the CPU are named after their CPUIDs. The program CPU-Z shows the CPU ID, it's a combination of "Family" "Model" and "Stepping".
So in the case for a E5462 it's 6, 7, 6. -> 676 (CPUID 10676)
Also it's easy to google it ... just try "xeon x5472 cpuid" - that will give you links for example to www.cpu-world.com and there you see the CPUID for that CPU (for the X5472 it is 1067A).
The Revision C0 or E0 is not important for the microcodes since that is just a minor enhancement to the production and sometimes some features are enabled, but the core model is the same.

So for all the Xeon 54xx models you should be fine using the 10676 and 1067A microcodes.
One thing I couldn't find out and nobody here answered me to that question is what the platform ID stands for. I guess it's the socket like LGA 775, 771, or BGA or some other form (mobile sockets, soldered directly to the board aso.)
In the example on how to mod the BIOS they use platform ID 4 and 40 for the 10676 CPUID and platform ID 44 for the 1067A CPUID. The strange thing is that most of the time when I look into a BIOS I see outdated microcodes for these CPUIDs in there with platform IDs 1 and 10 and 11.
So whenever I mod a BIOS I just add all these six patches (4, 40, 1 and 10 for CPUID 10676 and 44, 11 for 1067A). IF there is enough space in the BIOS (1MB often is too small). AND I delete the old onces since it may happen that the BIOS uses the first matching patch and that may be the old one.

Oh and keep in mind that the Xeon 54x2 CPUs already have a 400MHz FSB speed. So overclocking these CPUs won't get you far (because of the low multiplicator). To use it in a system at stock speed will be fine though (like when your mainboard doesn't support overclocking [adjusting the FSB] but is capable of 400MHz FSB)

@Communist
I wouldn't spend too much in that old system of yours. I agree that 2GB RAM is not too much but DDR2 still ist pretty expensive, even used memory. If you find yourself a good deal then fine, but I wouldn't pay more than 20-30 EUR for 2 x 2GB DDR2-800 RAM.
Harddisk speed also makes the overall system performance like patentman already said. Most of newer HDDs with 500 - 1GB and 7200rpm only use one or two patterns (that's the discs inside) and are also quite fast. If you have a chipset that supports AHCI (for Intel that's the case for the ICH8, 9, 10 and in all the Core series) you are also fine to use a SSD with full benefit (at SATA II or III speeds depending of your controller [note all the Core 2 and first Core chipsets only support SATA II]). With ICH8 and 9 without any suffix (M or R) it is sometimes tricky to get AHCI working. If the BIOS supports it (IDE / AHCI or sometimes legacy / native) your are good to go, if not you could look for a modded BIOS.

Your board (GigaByte GA-965P-DS3) has the ICH8 southbridge and I think it supports the AHCI setting in BIOS.
Anyway it depends on the revision of your board. You should find that written on the board somewhere. If it is Rev 1.0 it doesn't support 333MHz FSB CPUs at all (maybe only with OC). If it's Rev 2.0 it supports some Dual Core 333MHz FSB CPUs and if it's Rev 3.0 it supports all 333MHz CPUs (but not guaranteed). I think GigaByte made some changes in the VRM layout of that board and maybe optimized the layout of the traces on the board to optimize high FSB frequencies.

As far as I can remember it can also be difficult to get the board stable if you use 4 RAM modules. Back when the P965 chipset was released it was known that it was difficult to run 4 memory modules at DDR2-800 and it was suggested that you use DDR2-667. On other boards it was difficult to get the modules run at a high FSB because the BIOS wasn't able to up the value of the tRFC (Row Refresh Cycle Time). I had a MSI P965 Platinum and the highest it could set for that was 42 or something. But for 333MHz and up it should be around 50 or even higher.
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