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I attach the PassMark results with my Xeon E5450 OC'd to 4,05GHz PerfRes.jpg 884k .jpg file
One of the CPU's in results comparison is the i7-920 at stock 2,66GHz. It is slightly slower in most of the tests. After overclocking it to the same clockspeed, it should be about 20-30% faster than Xeon's. That said, the Xeon is about twice as fast as your E8500 at the same clock (in multi-threaded operations), so the difference between it and i7 is nowhere as notable.

In short, yes, Xeon will give you a big performance improvement, although still being inferior to i7-920 at the same clockspeed.

Ok so I made up my mind. I tried building up using my spare i7 920 and got a mobo and ram for it but turned out the mobo arrived defective so I will take that as a sign and just give the X5460 a try! smile.gif
Besides, there is something fun about pushing old gear...just like I pushed my main 1366 build by getting a Xeon 6 core processor to extend its life..there is something cool about doing the same for my 775 and plus saving money. biggrin.gif

So ....
1> will I need any special Bios and that other stuff I am reading about for my Asus P5K-E (wifi one)?
2> Do you think my old Scythe Ninja V1 will be enough to push it or better get something else? I have a Cotage True Spirit I got with the damaged 1366 mobo which I should be returning to the seller but maybe it will be an upgrade over the first gen Ninja?


Looking forward to join the club! biggrin.gif
Edited by shaolin95 - 1/2/15 at 11:53am
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has anyone gotten x38 to work yet?
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1)Yes and no. It should boot up just fine without bios upgrade (my P5Q Pro did), but after updating the microcodes, your motherboard will detect additional features, such as SSE4.1 or VT-x. Anyways, because that's the very similiar motherboard to mine, I've updated it's latest BIOS for you, here you go: p5k-e-1305-xeon.zip 2048k .zip file .
Just flash it using ASUS Ez Flash and you'll be good to go smile.gif

2)To answer that question, here are 2 screenshots from comparison of CPU coolers on the polish website, which I always use as a reference when choosing a cooler for someone and I have to say - it's pretty accurate. Those are temperatures under load of tested CPU:





Keep in mind they've used Ninja 2 for comparison, which is slightly better than V1 (I think), yet even with 2 fans it's still outclassed by Cogage True Spirit with just 1, so it's definitely a better choice. The only problem is, you will need to additionaly buy ThermalrightBolt-Thru Board Mounting Kit, because the Cogage comes only with the one for LGA1366, but it should be worth it smile.gif

I'm using Pentagram Karakorum, which is between Ninja and Cogage when it comes to cooling performance, but it has pretty uneven contact surface (I lterally lapped the base of heatsing on my knee to get rid of scratches lol). Despite that, it still keeps my E5450@4,05GHz at reasonable temperatures under Prime95. Then again, X5460 has much higher TDP (120W vs 80W), so even at lower voltage it will generate more heat. That's why you're better off using Cogage True Spirit, it should keep your Xeon cool smile.gif
Edited by Wojton - 1/2/15 at 12:53pm
post #5634 of 12429
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Originally Posted by Wojton View Post

1)Yes and no. It should boot up just fine without bios upgrade (my P5Q Pro did), but after updating the microcodes, your motherboard will detect additional features, such as SSE4.1 or VT-x. Anyways, because that's the very similiar motherboard to mine, I've updated it's latest BIOS for you, here you go: p5k-e-1305-xeon.zip 2048k .zip file .
Just flash it using ASUS Ez Flash and you'll be good to go smile.gif

2)To answer that question, here are 2 screenshots from comparison of CPU coolers on the polish website, which I always use as a reference when choosing a cooler for someone and I have to say - it's pretty accurate. Those are temperatures under load of tested CPU:





Keep in mind they've used Ninja 2 for comparison, which is slightly better than V1 (I think), yet even with 2 fans it's still outclassed by Cogage True Spirit with just 1, so it's definitely a better choice. The only problem is, you will need to additionaly buy ThermalrightBolt-Thru Board Mounting Kit, because the Cogage comes only with the one for LGA1366, but it should be worth it smile.gif

I'm using Pentagram Karakorum, which is between Ninja and Cogage when it comes to cooling performance, but it has pretty uneven contact surface (I lterally lapped the base of heatsing on my knee to get rid of scratches lol). Despite that, it still keeps my E5450@4,05GHz at reasonable temperatures under Prime95. Then again, X5460 has much higher TDP (120W vs 80W), so even at lower voltage it will generate more heat. That's why you're better off using Cogage True Spirit, it should keep your Xeon cool smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Wojton View Post

1)Yes and no. It should boot up just fine without bios upgrade (my P5Q Pro did), but after updating the microcodes, your motherboard will detect additional features, such as SSE4.1 or VT-x. Anyways, because that's the very similiar motherboard to mine, I've updated it's latest BIOS for you, here you go: p5k-e-1305-xeon.zip 2048k .zip file .
Just flash it using ASUS Ez Flash and you'll be good to go smile.gif

2)To answer that question, here are 2 screenshots from comparison of CPU coolers on the polish website, which I always use as a reference when choosing a cooler for someone and I have to say - it's pretty accurate. Those are temperatures under load of tested CPU:





Keep in mind they've used Ninja 2 for comparison, which is slightly better than V1 (I think), yet even with 2 fans it's still outclassed by Cogage True Spirit with just 1, so it's definitely a better choice. The only problem is, you will need to additionaly buy ThermalrightBolt-Thru Board Mounting Kit, because the Cogage comes only with the one for LGA1366, but it should be worth it smile.gif

I'm using Pentagram Karakorum, which is between Ninja and Cogage when it comes to cooling performance, but it has pretty uneven contact surface (I lterally lapped the base of heatsing on my knee to get rid of scratches lol). Despite that, it still keeps my E5450@4,05GHz at reasonable temperatures under Prime95. Then again, X5460 has much higher TDP (120W vs 80W), so even at lower voltage it will generate more heat. That's why you're better off using Cogage True Spirit, it should keep your Xeon cool smile.gif
Once again your replies are awesome! smile.gif

One question though..the link you provided for the adapter actually says it is for 1366 so if that is the one I need also for 755 then I am in luck because that is precisely the one the seller sent attached with the defective 1366 mobo I got from him.

Also, as I made my decision, someone offered me an i5 750, GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 and G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 all 3 shipped for $110 and for that price it really got me thinking again. :/ Not sure if the 750 can match a Xeon X5460 oced to 4.2Ghz or so which is my goal for the Xeon.
What you think?
And thanks a TON for the bios and info again. smile.gif


PS If my research is correct, does not seem like the i5 is going to be much different from the X5460.
Edited by shaolin95 - 1/2/15 at 1:46pm
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The link I've provided is wrong, thats the adapter provided with your cooler, here is the right one: Thermalright LGA775 Bolt-Thru Kit. It doesn't say it's compatible with Cogage True Spirit because it isn't actual Thermalright cooler, but from what I've read, it works with Cogage just as well and allows to mount it on LGA775 motherboards.

As for the CPU question, the same polish website provides the answer smile.gif. Now, I'm gonna post only the part of comparison chart, because it's really big, but if you wanna see the whole comparison in english, click here.
The chart shows the overall performance of overclocked CPU's in games. The results are presented in %, with Phenom II X4 965@4GHz used as a reference CPU (which means that it's performance at 4GHz is equal to 100% rating on the chart).



Core2Quad Q9550@4GHz has the same performance as the quad-core Xeon's at that clockspeed (101,9%). At 4,4GHz, we're talking about ~110%, which is 17% less than i5-750 and 20% less than i7-920.

Normally, I'd recommend i5/i7 over LGA771 Xeon's, because LGA771/775 is an old platform, but LGA1366 the very next generation that replaced it, so it's days of glory are also gone smile.gif

Basically, if you're looking for a long-term upgrade, save up the money and build a system based on LGA1150 CPU (Pentium G3258 is a great CPU to start off with and overclocked, it has the performance comparable to said Xeon's, but it also gives you the ability to swap the CPU with something even faster later on, where as Xeon's are pretty much the end of the road with LGA775 - for anything faster than that, you will have to upgrade the motherboard (and most likely, the memory) aswell.

However, if you're just looking for a performance increase compared to your current CPU (E8500) at a low cost, this mod is the way to go smile.gif
Edited by Wojton - 1/2/15 at 5:04pm
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Have you patched proper microcodes (6F7 / 6FB) for your Xeon? I mean E5335 needs different microcodes than 54xx series.
You would be surprised how fast that is.
That Pentium you mentioned is actually slower than E5430 2,66GHz and if you don't take into account useless things like AES and focus on floating point calculations than G3258 is much slower.
If you have 70% of cpu usage during FPS dips than maybe it is GPU. I suggest to check GPU usage. Although ARMA2 / 3 can have some heavy scripting in missions that can cause any cpu to stutter.
Cpu id 06fb and i patched from here http://www.delidded.com/how-to-update-cpu-microcode-in-ami-bios/
No more update bios message but windows dont boot,just black page and blinking cursoar.
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Originally Posted by Wojton View Post

The link I've provided is wrong, thats the adapter provided with your cooler, here is the right one: Thermalright LGA775 Bolt-Thru Kit. It doesn't say it's compatible with Cogage True Spirit because it isn't actual Thermalright cooler, but from what I've read, it works with Cogage just as well and allows to mount it on LGA775 motherboards.

As for the CPU question, the same polish website provides the answer smile.gif. Now, I'm gonna post only the part of comparison chart, because it's really big, but if you wanna see the whole comparison in english, click here.
The chart shows the overall performance of overclocked CPU's in games. The results are presented in %, with Phenom II X4 965@4GHz used as a reference CPU (which means that it's performance at 4GHz is equal to 100% rating on the chart).



Core2Quad Q9550@4GHz has the same performance as the quad-core Xeon's at that clockspeed (101,9%). At 4,4GHz, we're talking about ~110%, which is 17% less than i5-750 and 20% less than i7-920.

Normally, I'd recommend i5/i7 over LGA771 Xeon's, because LGA771/775 is an old platform, but LGA1366 the very next generation that replaced it, so it's days of glory are also gone smile.gif

Basically, if you're looking for a long-term upgrade, save up the money and build a system based on LGA1150 CPU (Pentium G3258 is a great CPU to start off with and overclocked, it has the performance comparable to said Xeon's, but it also gives you the ability to swap the CPU with something even faster later on, where as Xeon's are pretty much the end of the road with LGA775 - for anything faster than that, you will have to upgrade the motherboard (and most likely, the memory) aswell.

However, if you're just looking for a performance increase compared to your current CPU (E8500) at a low cost, this mod is the way to go smile.gif
Well the seller just offer just got better at just $90 for the same gear I mentioned earlier...at that price it will be hard to pass on and as you said, after Xeon I got nowhere else to go so if the scripts keep increasing in processor requirements, at least with the 1150 I have a few more options. Glad to see someone that is able to analyze things logically without the sometimes weird passion some people have for electronics and pc parts biggrin.gif
Once again, thanks a ton!!!!!!!!
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Here you go: G41MTS2_BIOS_771.zip 1645k .zip file

Updated both F7 and F8D BIOS, everything seems to be fine, but I don't have the motherboard to test them myself, so, needless to say - flash it at your own risk.

As for motherboard, it should work with FSB1333 Xeon's (E54xx/X54xx family). I don't know about the dual-core one's. E5450 should work fine.


wow tnx man that's dope...well as you can tell the/that/my mobo has dual-bios i've actually done a bad bios flashing on it once and recovered in no time
Edited by agablex - 1/2/15 at 7:15pm
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any word on X38 yet? i know 2 users were trying to get it to work with circuit writter pens.
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Cpu id 06fb and i patched from here http://www.delidded.com/how-to-update-cpu-microcode-in-ami-bios/
No more update bios message but windows dont boot,just black page and blinking cursoar.
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It definitely should work on your P5K xxx mobo. I suggest to reset BIOS, load default settings, check SATA mode if it is as you had before BIOS flashing, turn off energy saving options like EIST, C1/C1E, C2/C4, intel Speedstep and so on.
If that fails try reinstalling OS.
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any word on X38 yet? i know 2 users were trying to get it to work with circuit writter pens.
Hi, no one reported it working, at least not on this forum. I think it is possible to make them work, but it would require datasheet of LGA771 33xx Xeons (to make pin functionality comparison). Unfortunately that document is nowhere to be found.
So for now you can go with X3xxx Xeons on X38 chipset if you are determined to mod your mobo.
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