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I got it stable by turning off q-fan but the fan is loud and annoying.

Stock fan profile is lacking severely and even in "performance" fan mode it still doesn't hop up enough.

Anyone know how to optimize the bios asus q-fan profile?

Thanks
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Anyone tried on a intel extreme dp45sg mobo it a p45 buid be FOXXCON ?


Yea this board can overclock.... He has extreme in the name.... still it crap...

FOXXCON and ECS holly fuqing hell if those guys got into the car business their cars would split in half in the middle of road trips ..don't use cyanide or cut your wrist get a FOXXCON or an ECS car and you'll meet your maker faster than you ever thought ...shipped to God
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FOXXCON and ECS holly fuqing hell if those guys got into the car business their cars would split in half in the middle of road trips ..don't use cyanide or cut your wrist get a FOXXCON or an ECS car and you'll meet your maker faster than you ever thought ...shipped to God
. That why my e8400 default at 9.5x multi. Drnk programmer
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i know i did understand you clearly ..did i sound mad or something ?..a little ?...lol..i was just humorously ranting extracting and milking the humor out of that problem...yes of course i think even if i set the Vcore to 1,4V manually CPU-Z would probably report 1,26V or something for the E5450 at stock ..an overclocked E5300 to 3,4GHZ at full load reports the same ..sometimes less...would you even consider a E5300 at 3,4GHZ a 65W CPU anymore ?..if yes then at what clock does it stop being so ? ..my point is that setting the voltage manually even up to 1,4V is more auto than dumbass auto/1,4v .lol poor auto the devil in disguise i mean 1,4V in disguise..i know 1,4V is still safe i just find it funny how auto doesn't actually work (at least on my mobo) that's the bottom line
Ahhh, gotcha, I thought you were mad at me for suggesting the "noob settings" that aren't necessarily the best smile.gif

As for your question, TDP =/= power consumption. They are corelated, but not linearely. You can easily measure CPU's power consumption, but not the TDP. With increasing VCore, power consumption raises faster than TDP. As an example, my E5450 at factory settings has TDP of 80W. At 4,05GHz@1,43V it generates MUCH more heat under load, yet, I'm pretty sure that it's TDP is still lower than X5460's 120W-I can tell that by comparing the temperatures of both CPU's under load with the same cooling-X5460 gets hotter than my E5450 at much lower voltage (~1,3V). You can only estimate what is your overclocked CPU's TDP, based on the temperatures comparison with other CPU's. If I'd have to guess, I'd say that with VCore of 1,4V, E5400's TDP shouldn't increase by more than 10W.


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Originally Posted by chris89 View Post

I got it stable by turning off q-fan but the fan is loud and annoying.

Stock fan profile is lacking severely and even in "performance" fan mode it still doesn't hop up enough.

Anyone know how to optimize the bios asus q-fan profile?

Thanks

I don't think you can do that without modding the BIOS. But you can bypass Q-Fan by buying a fan controller, or, if you don't want additional costs - use the molex connector to power your CPU Fan - you can literally use a flat screwdriver to push the pins out of fan's connector and then connect the black wire (Ground) and red or yellow wire (12V) to PSU's molex connector as shown below:

molex-01-EN.png.jpg
Depending on how you connect it, it will run at either 5V (~42% of fan's max speed), 7V (~58% of fan's max speed) or 12V (max speed, you probably don't want that). Here is more on how to do that.

The downside is, the fan will run at the same speed all the time, but at least it won't be as noisy at 7V as with Q-Fan disabled (constant 12V) and a bit more effective than at 5V.
Edited by Wojton - 1/8/15 at 4:54am
post #5675 of 10554
My current setup is :

Asus P5Q-E
Xeon X5460 @ 4 GHz
dual chanel 2x2 GB dual channel memory @ 1100 MHZ @ CL5
Ati 7850

Will my pc work better if I put 8 GB of RAM but at lower speed, lets say ~ 900 MHz in single channel mode 4x2 GB @ CL5?

Thank you in advance
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My current setup is :

Asus P5Q-E
Xeon X5460 @ 4 GHz
dual chanel 2x2 GB dual channel memory @ 1100 MHZ @ CL5
Ati 7850

Will my pc work better if I put 8 GB of RAM but at lower speed, lets say ~ 900 MHz in single channel mode 4x2 GB @ CL5?

Thank you in advance

Are you using all 4gb? If so then yes going to 8gb would likely help your system, you will likely find the increase in size outweighs any small speed decrease if you actually required the extra 4gb but I'm sure others will be able to chime in with more experience
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Originally Posted by IgoRRR View Post

My current setup is :

Asus P5Q-E
Xeon X5460 @ 4 GHz
dual chanel 2x2 GB dual channel memory @ 1100 MHZ @ CL5
Ati 7850

Will my pc work better if I put 8 GB of RAM but at lower speed, lets say ~ 900 MHz in single channel mode 4x2 GB @ CL5?

Thank you in advance

I've been running a P5Q-E 24/7 since June (except considerable testing time) experimenting with different memory combinations & speeds. The 16G slower Kingston memory (4x4) with x5470 at 4.0GHz "feels faster" than 8GB of quicker GSkill modules (4x2) and 5470 at 4.5 - 5. Little 2G swap file on the SSD doesn't get hit except for reboots using 16G.
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Ahhh, gotcha, I thought you were mad at me for suggesting the "noob settings" that aren't necessarily the best smile.gif

As for your question, TDP =/= power consumption. They are corelated, but not linearely. You can easily measure CPU's power consumption, but not the TDP. With increasing VCore, power consumption raises faster than TDP. As an example, my E5450 at factory settings has TDP of 80W. At 4,05GHz@1,43V it generates MUCH more heat under load, yet, I'm pretty sure that it's TDP is still lower than X5460's 120W-I can tell that by comparing the temperatures of both CPU's under load with the same cooling-X5460 gets hotter than my E5450 at much lower voltage (~1,3V). You can only estimate what is your overclocked CPU's TDP, based on the temperatures comparison with other CPU's. If I'd have to guess, I'd say that with VCore of 1,4V, E5400's TDP shouldn't increase by more than 10W.
I don't think you can do that without modding the BIOS. But you can bypass Q-Fan by buying a fan controller, or, if you don't want additional costs - use the molex connector to power your CPU Fan - you can literally use a flat screwdriver to push the pins out of fan's connector and then connect the black wire (Ground) and red or yellow wire (12V) to PSU's molex connector as shown below:

molex-01-EN.png.jpg
Depending on how you connect it, it will run at either 5V (~42% of fan's max speed), 7V (~58% of fan's max speed) or 12V (max speed, you probably don't want that). Here is more on how to do that.

The downside is, the fan will run at the same speed all the time, but at least it won't be as noisy at 7V as with Q-Fan disabled (constant 12V) and a bit more effective than at 5V.

Thanks yeah I can't pull any stability at all on any stress test. At full q-fan it passed 8 runs and failed compared to 2 and the vdroop was MASSIVE on the P5KPL-AM EPU down from 1.200v idle to 1.100v. So I'm losing 100mv or more under load. At 5,950rpm on this delta fan supposedly pulling 38CFM it still hit 60C and failed on inteburntest and cores are 10C cooler/ lower than the CPU temp. I pulled that loud fan and added the fan on the opposite side of the cooler blowing throw which is quiet at 12v and the CPU temp hit 50C and cores at 39C while Inteburntest failed yet again.

I figured this ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU was better than the usual boards I use being IPIBL-LB boards for builds. The IPIBL-LB can handle a X5470 110% stable even on the crapiest coolers that click in (Loosely I might add).


On another note in regards to CPU Microcode. Is it possible to mod and add microcode to any bios of corresponding to MMTOOL? My friends acer v3-551g won't even post to a A10-5750M, but a A10-4600M works fine...

Additional note I have a Dell Precision 690 Motherboard dual-xeon and it's 0F9394 board that states ''Unsupported processor installed''. Can I add the Quad-Core microcode for X5470 support?

As well as Dell GX280 from 2.8Ghz lga775 p4 to 3.8ghz lga775 p4 571J? States ''Unsupported processor installed''.
Edited by chris89 - 1/8/15 at 11:59pm
post #5679 of 10554
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Thanks yeah I can't pull any stability at all on any stress test. At full q-fan it passed 8 runs and failed compared to 2 and the vdroop was MASSIVE on the P5KPL-AM EPU down from 1.200v idle to 1.100v. So I'm losing 100mv or more under load. At 5,950rpm on this delta fan supposedly pulling 38CFM it still hit 60C and failed on inteburntest and cores are 10C cooler/ lower than the CPU temp. I pulled that loud fan and added the fan on the opposite side of the cooler blowing throw which is quiet at 12v and the CPU temp hit 50C and cores at 39C while Inteburntest failed yet again.
60C is nowhere enough to cause the failure of stability test. My E5450 went through 8 hours of Prime95 and passed, the highest recorded temperature was 82C. Cores temperature lower by 10C than CPU temperature also means nothing, it's normal with Xeon's (this difference is similiar with mine and couple of other people CPU's). So I would blame the instability on that huge VDrop, have you enabled Load Line Calibration in BIOS?
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On another note in regards to CPU Microcode. Is it possible to mod and add microcode to any bios of corresponding to MMTOOL? My friends acer v3-551g won't even post to a A10-5750M, but a A10-4600M works fine...
There is a whole lot of forum threads regarding Acer v3-551G and A10-5750M compability, such as here or here<-You might find page 3 of that thread particularly interesting.
From what I've learned, it is possible to make that CPU compatible with this Acer's motherboard, but not by the methods described in this thread - those are only meant for Intel CPU's. You need to talk to people experienced with BIOS modding that posted in this thread, they should be able to help you with that.
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Additional note I have a Dell Precision 690 Motherboard dual-xeon and it's 0F9394 board that states ''Unsupported processor installed''. Can I add the Quad-Core microcode for X5470 support?

As well as Dell GX280 from 2.8Ghz lga775 p4 to 3.8ghz lga775 p4 571J? States ''Unsupported processor installed''.
Edited by chris89 - Yesterday at 11:59 pm

Microcodes update isn't always a way to make certain CPU's compatible with certain motherboards, in order for E(X) 54xx Xeon's to work, the motherboard needs to have native FSB 1333MHz, aswell as Quad-Core CPU's support. And even then, it's not guaranteed that they are going to work, there have been numerous reports of Xeon's not working on motherboards that meet those criteria even after microcodes update. The best way to find out is to try it.
As for Dell Precision 690, this thread on Dell forum's should give you an answer. As for GX280, again, microcodes update might, but don't have to make that Pentium compatible, the microcodes in this thread add only Quad-Core Xeon's support, try updating all of the LGA775/771 CPU's microcodes, as described here and just see for yourself! smile.gif
Edited by Wojton - 1/9/15 at 6:45am
post #5680 of 10554
anyone here had a situation where the virtulization option on the bios is grayed out with the 771 Xeon!?

the rest seems to be fine, SSE4.1 detected and so on...
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