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That should cover it, but no less. General rule of thumb 120mm per device and then 120mm extra at the end. So 2 GPU and 1 cpu should be around a 480mm rad to be optimal.
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Originally Posted by rickyman0319

how do I calculate if I am extreme, average or poor watercooler?

This is how I do it.

Of course everybody's own definition is their own but delta 10C is the generally accepted target. Here's how I size

Over at MartinsLiquidLab.org, this is the criteria he uses:

16 - 17C = Poor Performance
11 - 12 C = Average Performance
7 - 8 = Extreme Performance

Ever use a PSU Calculator ?

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

This is revised from Post 7 where I attempted to make it easier but found method faulty

1. Put in the say Intel 4670k

2. Overclock it to 4.6 GHz and 1.35 volts

3. Hit Overclock and ya get 133 say 135 watts

4. If ya cooling the MoBo, add 20 watts for the MoBo MOFSETS and 20 watts for the MoBo VRM

5. Go to Guru3D.com and search for a review of your GFX card. Let's use a pair of reference GTX 770s in this example

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_770_review,5.html
Quote:
Measured power consumption

System in IDLE = 119 W
System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 304 Watt
Difference (GPU load) = 185 W
Add average IDLE wattage ~10 W
Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 195 Watt

And let's add say 15% for overclocking and we're at 225 watts per vard

6. 135 (CPU) + 40 (MoBo) + 2 x 225 (GFX) = 625 watts

7. Go to post 546 here and download the spreadsheet .... it's for Alphacool rads. They top the charts over at martins site so may have some slight adjustments if ya use something different.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/phanteks-enthoo-primo-owners-club/540

8. Looking at the tables and selecting 1400 rpm.... a UT60-280 (231) and a UT60-420 (346) = 587 watts .... if ya can fit them, your gold. Now these Rad tests eliminate everything but the rad surface area. It ignores the radiator sides, radiation from backplates, MoBo Surfaces, tubing etc..... I'm "guessing" that this radiation from non Rad surface areas must range somewhere between 10 and 25 %. Let's assume 15%

9. So using that original 625 from step 6 and subtracting the 15%, we are left with 625 watts x 85 % = 531 watts. If ya don't mind the noise, a UT-60-480 will give ya 526 watts at 2200 rpm. or....if ya wanna limit speeds to 1800 rpm and 434 watts, you'd have 82% of the required cooling ..... dividing the 10C target by 0.82, you'd be at 12C which puts ya in the "Average Performance" category.
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Originally Posted by ShortySmalls

That should cover it, but no less. General rule of thumb 120mm per device and then 120mm extra at the end. So 2 GPU and 1 cpu should be around a 480mm rad to be optimal.

well im going to break the general rule of thumb 2500K@ 4.2 and a 7950 @ stock on a 240 rad in an MITX box by mid week no more huge fan noise.

if i have delta problems, ill mount a rad up front for zee overkill.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortySmalls

That should cover it, but no less. General rule of thumb 120mm per device and then 120mm extra at the end. So 2 GPU and 1 cpu should be around a 480mm rad to be optimal.

I think that ole rule of them needs to be updated or at least adjusted for fan speed..... Haswells have a TDP of 84 but 145 when OC'd to the Max ..... overclocked top end GFX cards are upwards of 275...that's 695 watts. But the 145 watt CPU can't be considered equal to a high end GPU......At 1800 rpm, my thinking is 1 120mm rad equivalent for the CPU (135 watts) and a bit more for GPUs

Overclocked TDP
Titan = 290 ~ 2.0 CPUs
780 = 265 ~ 1.8 CPUs
770 = 225 ~ 1.6 CPUs
760 = 196 ~ 1.3 CPUs

While I wouldn't wanna mess with the old one 120mm rule for the "Minimum" standard ......My rule of thumb for "Recommended" would be 1.5 120mm Rads for each GPU and 1.0 for a CPU....or a 360 as a minimum in a single card system and 480 as a minimum in a SLI system

UT60 - 240 dissipates 140 watts @ 1400 rpm, 179 at 1800 rpm and 217 @ 2200 rpm in push
UT60 - 360 dissipates 210 watts @ 1400 rpm, 269 at 1800 rpm and 326 @ 2200 rpm in push
UT60 - 480 dissipates 280 watts @ 1400 rpm, 359 at 1800 rpm and 435 @ 2200 rpm in push

Push / Pull adds maybe 20%
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PCSarge

well im going to break the general rule of thumb 2500K@ 4.2 and a 7950 @ stock on a 240 rad in an MITX box by mid week no more huge fan noise.

2500k @ 4.2 and 1.25v is 121 watts; 7950 stock is 138 watts ... so you're at 259 watts..... if ya figure the rad has to handle 80% of that with the rest from radiation from tubing and other parts, ya would need 207 watts of cooling which ya should get at a fan speed about 1700 rpm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE

2500k @ 4.2 and 1.25v is 121 watts; 7950 stock is 138 watts ... so you're at 259 watts..... if ya figure the rad has to handle 80% of that with the rest from radiation from tubing and other parts, ya would need 207 watts of cooling which ya should get at a fan speed about 1700 rpm

if you consider the rad will be intaking from the top in pull only, and i have a 230mm front intake that runs at 1200ish rpm with no noise and a cougar vortex as a rear exhaust, id say im pretty well set
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Quote:
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cpu loop only

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Yea that's good enough. Should be better than the X60.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShortySmalls

That should cover it, but no less. General rule of thumb 120mm per device and then 120mm extra at the end. So 2 GPU and 1 cpu should be around a 480mm rad to be optimal.

480mm rad is not optimal for 2 GPU and 1 CPU

If he puts load on that system, no type of 480 rad is going to give optimal cooling.
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Originally Posted by INCREDIBLEHULK

480mm rad is not optimal for 2 GPU and 1 CPU

If he puts load on that system, no type of 480 rad is going to give optimal cooling.

Care to elaborate? Because a 480 for his system is more than enough.
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