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I don't even know what this thread is turning into. Throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks doesn't even seem to be the right analogy.

Haha, I feel you. But what can one expect in a thread where virtually nothing is backed by actual numbers and/or benchmarks? The bull**** starts literally in OP's first sentence, and that's your cue to take things with a grain of salt in here.
post #2422 of 3506
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Originally Posted by r0ach View Post



So I just got the new Gigabyte 970 GTX OC (2nd revision, not G1) today, replacing 570 GTX reference, and wow my system feels way different. Even though I'm running the same drivers, desktop movement is far different than before. I think it's because Fermi cards downclocked core and memory way too low at idle state and Maxwell uses much higher idle values:



If you moved the cursor with Fermi at idle power state and PCIE mode 1 vs highest power state (p3? p4?) and PCIE mode 3.0, there was a huge difference in how the cursor moved. Doing the same thing with Maxwell, you still notice a difference, but it's much less than before. I was really worried that the "Gigabyte Flex Technology", which is their custom implementation of having a crap ton of display outputs would cause some major problem, but it's pretty much flawless. There's no lag or buffering or anything like that due to it. I'm on the 2nd revision Gigabyte 970 though, I did hear about people on the Gigabyte 970 G1 first gen with backplate having problems with ports flat out not working at all.

The 970 card uses line based interrupt mode by default, not MSI. If I forced my Fermi card from line based to MSI mode, there was a small difference in cursor movement, but nothing that huge. Generally it felt worse in MSI mode though. When I do the same thing with the 970 card, there's not a small difference, it's a large difference, and it makes cursor movement much worse. There must be some reason Nvidia doesn't use MSI mode.

The reason I was testing MSI mode in the first place is I was going to see if using the 970 in MSI mode along with a PCI-E sound card in MSI mode would fix the PCI-E sound card's latency problems. For some reason, the problem is much less pronounced with the Maxwell GPU than Fermi and you can actually run a PCI-E sound card with this GPU.

So why would nvidia will be using MSI on laptop with the same card ? it's obviously same 970 chip just cut with some cuda core and 192 bit. AMD used MSI on both Desktop and Laptop cards. I can't understand why Nvidia doesn't have MSI mode enabled for all of their cards. at least why on Laptop it is MSI and not on Desktop ?

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Originally Posted by AndiWandi View Post

Haha, I feel you. But what can one expect in a thread where virtually nothing is backed by actual numbers and/or benchmarks? The bull**** starts literally in OP's first sentence, and that's your cue to take things with a grain of salt in here.

We are looking for the common things, better than trying to find rarity and to pinpoint any thing that repeating in sustain of performance or numbers, sometimes feelings gets you going, or you don't believe in love ?
Edited by x7007 - 2/20/16 at 5:03pm
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aspect ratio on amd is feeling of no scaling on nvidia biggrin.gif

someone test it ?
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I will start filling up some things with Mouse lag input

Asus GPU Tweak 2 - Uninstall
SCP Gamepad controller Driver - Uninstall
No Scaling NCP - Unselected Ovrrride scaling on games and programs
Not Instaling Nvidia GPU Experience
HPET Bios Enabled only - I'm not sure if Disabling is causing issues with the GPU Clock idle mode which makes it stuck on 678 mhz for 970GTX.

No one has files on this folder and a file named NvBackend.exe running in taskmanager ?
C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\Update Core
If this file ran on startup every time I had windows DING when restarting/signoff/shutdown , after I removed it and it's not starting or running anymore I don't have the issue.

Causes the mouse to have weird lag input.

I will fill more as I remember more

As current situation.

I don't have the Idle clock problem using what I said on above.

When you install nvidia drivers make sure to remove the folder Update Core from the installation folder before installing so it will not install it.

EDITED : ADDED / will be more
Edited by x7007 - 2/29/16 at 6:20pm
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AtihdW76.sys remove this dpc audio garbage if someone have amd

now

i was tested full screen + centered

the mouse movement feels same on both modes

what i recommend if someone have xl2720 (Best Pixel Process) use 4:3 monitor and on full screen amd driver that give you the mouse movment you always want it thumb.gif
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Any suggested settings for AMD crimson? When I first got my card it felt snappy as hell, then aiming felt "meh" again like it did with my nvidia card. This seemed to correlate with scaling mode, my monitor was using the hardware scaler at first, then it stopped using it for no reason and I can't get it back.
    
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i am using default with amd optimization
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i dont know about p8z77v but i like more the gene motherboards becuase they have less features less lag you can check.the vii gene viii gene and v gene from my experience they all lag free but z170 and z97 dont let you disable the hpet completely

you can check here vii gene dpc test


https://youtube.com/watch?v=yRUBTaCdzpU

can you tell me if you suffer dpc on your on board network?

Of course I suffered from it. 19.1 worked good all the rest had DPC jumps to 8000-10000 every 5 sec
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Originally Posted by Vantavia View Post

Any suggested settings for AMD crimson? When I first got my card it felt snappy as hell, then aiming felt "meh" again like it did with my nvidia card. This seemed to correlate with scaling mode, my monitor was using the hardware scaler at first, then it stopped using it for no reason and I can't get it back.[/quoti suggest to use driver 15.1 beeter performance then crismon until they fix some bugs on they're drivers
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Mine started again.... You can't imagine how annoying this is... Hpet and dynamictick enabled again. But today I saw an advice in Nvidia forum about Shader Cache Never saw it before. In every forum people say leave it defalut / enabled

So I did disabled it. Than rebooted and deleted Temp files.

Defalut directory

C:\Windows\Temp\NVIDIA Corporation\NV_Cache

delete everything in NV_Cache , but if you changed TEMP folder for SSD using, find it and delete everything in it.

Try, may help. Mine looks helped. If this doesn't work again, I don't what to do...
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