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On top of that, It's a PC not a gaming console.
In other words, I don't ONLY game on my PC - I watch things, editing things, talk about things (like I'm doing right now) - so the fact that the QNIX is capable of both, completely takes away the competition for me.

This actually explains a lot and leads back to the whole subjective thing.

My PC is strictly a gaming machine. I don't surf, shop or email on it. I have Windows stripped down to the bare bones (less than 30 services running). It is highly optimized for an amazing FPS gaming experience (I stopped playing MMOs/RPG/RTS years ago). No Antivirus, no firewall active, customized NIC driver settings for gaming. Heck, even the nVidia control panel is turned off. I just use the barebones video driver only.

For my non-gaming needs I have a laptop computer. This is what works best for me. It is like a guy who has two cars; a Toyota Prius for the day to day mundane tasks, and a McLaren for the weekend fun. thumb.gif
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This actually explains a lot and leads back to the whole subjective thing.

My PC is strictly a gaming machine. I don't surf, shop or email on it. I have Windows stripped down to the bare bones (less than 30 services running). It is highly optimized for an amazing FPS gaming experience (I stopped playing MMOs/RPG/RTS years ago). No Antivirus, no firewall active, customized NIC driver settings for gaming. Heck, even the nVidia control panel is turned off. I just use the barebones video driver only.

For my non-gaming needs I have a laptop. This is what works best for me. It like a guy who has two cars; a Toyota Prius for the day to day mundane tasks, and a McLaren for the weekend fun. thumb.gif

Not everyone has the luxury of two cars thumb.gif
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Tdubbed and co: You guys are cracking me up, lol!

So basically, there is no need to go i7? Cool!

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I don't understand this. I'm functioning @ 10% power right now...
I believe you.

The problem was me not WANTING to believe you because I had just bought and gone through my 30 days w/ the i5. Also, I don't think I quite understand what you were doing as I was after more frames, MORE FRAMES!

Again, sorry man. I'm trying to work on being a better OCNer. biggrin.gif

You can have 100fps, but have half of your frames take 1/60'th of a second - the result is the "smoothness" of only ~60fps with lots of jerks forward and weird stuttery motion. That's an extreme example, but 120fps on a 120hz screen is no good if a bunch of your frames are still displayed for as long as they would be at 50-100fps, which is an issue with some games and why a raw "fps" number, or average of the last like 50 or however many frames, is not good for telling a picture of performance or how smooth stuff is all of the time.

It's more and more of an issue the closer you get to perfection, the issues with motion clarity - a slow response time 60hz IPS screen from 2008 would have less obvious issues than a 1ms gtg rated tn at 120hz with a strobe backlight, even on the same experience, because the little bumps in the road stand out a lot more if there are not potholes everywhere, etc

THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION!!!

I'll look into how to check for this. I gotta say though, I have everything tweaked pretty well right now. It feels smoother than it ever has and I have no complaints.
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Tdubbed and co: You guys are cracking me up, lol!

So basically, there is no need to go i7? Cool!
THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION!!!

I'll look into how to check for this. I gotta say though, I have everything tweaked pretty well right now. It feels smoother than it ever has and I have no complaints.

It's pointed out in the OP already.
There is a visible difference between HT on and off, for your CORE/THREAD LOADS, but as far as most tat have tested, there's been no FPS differences.

What does that mean?
Well core/tread loads could affect something else - ie. if you were recording + gaming at the same time, you might get stuttering (just a guess not a fact)
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Definitely worth it, just make sure you got the GPU(s) to cover it!
5% is noted in the OP - so sounds about right.
The definition of "best" is subjective, when it comes to monitors.
It's a 1080P monitor, it's based on a TN panel (which in all honesty, if you go IPS/PLS, you won't want to come back) and is almost the same price as the QNIX.
It would surprise me if it WASN'T smoother. @1-2ms G2G, with a TN panel and 144hz - it bloody be smoother.
But smooth for me doesn't cut it. As I said, subjective opinion.
I prefer looking at a reasonably fluid image, with absolutely spot on colours and resolution that's just insanely better.

I put my Monitor (the QNIX) side by side to my LG - and the LG looked absolutely great (for colours) but the resolution just blows the LG out of the water. I even downclocked my QNIX, to 1080P to see hwo it would look like - and my god was it disgustingly "blurry".
So yeah, smoother it might be, but "shaved off sides" and "blurred lines" (pun intended) aren't my definition of a "good gaming monitor". Yet again, I'll stress it again, it's subjective.

I've always said this:
I want an IPS that does 1440p @ 120FPS.
Well, I pretty much got that, at an affordable £230 price, rather than a £500 price, I would have to shell out for a BenQ or Asus.

I disagree completely. I have both the ASUS VG248QE and a QNIX as I said before. Having the QNIX doesn't make me want to get rid of the ASUS Vg248QEs at all. I am very, very prone to motion blur and get headaches quite often because of it. With Lightboost, this is a non-issue and I don't have to wear those silly "gamer" glasses.
Now is my QNIX awesome? Heck yes it is! I absolutely love it for photo and video editing, but for gaming. 120hz lightboost all the way. Night and day difference from just 120hz or even 144hz. But meh, subjectivity and all. Of course, you really don't know what you're missing until you try 120hz lightboost. wink.gif
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Not everyone has the luxury of two cars thumb.gif

Very true my friend, but I don't consider my cheapo laptop to be a luxury. My gaming PC on the other hand, while average here on OCN, could be considered a luxury. thumb.gif
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Tdubbed:

Shadowplay and Battlescreen will give me a bit of trouble. Granted I have monitoring software up too that eats more CPU.

Game is noticeably smoother IMO when I kill all unneeded processes including origin, chrome, etc. If HT helps w/ that, it'd be worth it.

Just trying to decide if I wanna do i7 now, Devil's Canyon later, or wait on the 8 core monster from Intel. I'll figure it out soon. Thanks for all the help man!

jamey: I can't help wonder if some folks simply cannot see the difference. Or perhaps we see motion blur, they see clear? Who knows.
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I disagree completely. I have both the ASUS VG248QE and a QNIX as I said before. Having the QNIX doesn't make me want to get rid of the ASUS Vg248QEs at all. I am very, very prone to motion blur and get headaches quite often because of it. With Lightboost, this is a non-issue and I don't have to wear those silly "gamer" glasses.
Now is my QNIX awesome? Heck yes it is! I absolutely love it for photo and video editing, but for gaming. 120hz lightboost all the way. Night and day difference from just 120hz or even 144hz. But meh, subjectivity and all. Of course, you really don't know what you're missing until you try 120hz lightboost. wink.gif

Cool beans!
Almost the same point as "some people can't afford two cars" - same applies to monitors smile.gif
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Very true my friend, but I don't consider my cheapo laptop to be a luxury. My gaming PC on the other hand, while average here on OCN, could be considered a luxury. thumb.gif

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Tdubbed:

Shadowplay and Battlescreen will give me a bit of trouble. Granted I have monitoring software up too that eats more CPU.

Game is noticeably smoother IMO when I kill all unneeded processes including origin, chrome, etc. If HT helps w/ that, it'd be worth it.

Just trying to decide if I wanna do i7 now, Devil's Canyon later, or wait on the 8 core monster from Intel. I'll figure it out soon. Thanks for all the help man!

I would wait if I were you. BF4 is definitely not worth "upgrading a whole system for".
I would wait to see what other games come out and what they "require" - if HT becomes more apparent in benches, then, that's when I would say: Get an i7.

Right now, apart from BF4 - there's no other game that really utilises multi threads.
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Right now, apart from BF4 - there's no other game that really utilises multi threads.

Actually in Crysis 3 welcome to the jungle level the part where you have to dodge the rockets from the tower HT gives me a 15fps boost compared to having it disabled. I tried it both ways extensively and the difference is pretty large in that particular spot of the game, it felt more like a GPU upgrade with HT on. thumb.gif

Aside from Cyrsis 3 I have seen no other game make that kind of diff with HT enabled vs disabled.
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Actually in Crysis 3 welcome to the jungle level the part where you have to dodge the rockets from the tower HT gives me a 15fps boost compared to having it disabled. I tried it both ways extensively and the difference is pretty large in that particular spot of the game, it felt more like a GPU upgrade with HT on. thumb.gif

Aside from Cyrsis 3 I have seen no other game make that kind of diff with HT enabled vs disabled.

ah yes Crysis! That used to be the daddy of all PC benchmarks lol
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