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The limit for 32 bit OSes is 2gig a program... For 32 bit applications running on 64 bit OSes, its 4 gig. Confusing, I know, but that 2gig limit is basically irrelevant outside of Java apps, 3d modeling programs and The Sims 3 (don't ask). But it is really easy to slam head first into the 3.5gig overall RAM limit in W7 32-bit.

Anyway, I always thought I could run unsigned drivers on my 64-bit W7, but I may have done some hacking at some point to get it to do that. Regardless, Windows 7 should allow Vista drivers. Have you tried it?

Have you tried getting a newer Kensington Expert Trackball? They still sell them.

Any HID device that requires drivers to work properly is not a HID device worth owning, IMO...

Finally, there is absolutely NOTHING stopping you from changing HDs on an existing Windows installation except not knowing how to do it tongue.gif I've done more times than I can count. So you have options.
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Originally Posted by kevmatic View Post

The limit for 32 bit OSes is 2gig a program... For 32 bit applications running on 64 bit OSes, its 4 gig.

Thanks for the correction.

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Originally Posted by kevmatic View Post

Confusing, I know, but that 2gig limit is basically irrelevant outside of Java apps, 3d modeling programs and The Sims 3 (don't ask). But it is really easy to slam head first into the 3.5gig overall RAM limit in W7 32-bit.

Don't forget photo editing (GIMP) when working with large images. wink.gif Definitely agree about the 3.5GB limit being too stifling. Firefox uses at least 1GB all by itself. rolleyes.gif

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Anyway, I always thought I could run unsigned drivers on my 64-bit W7, but I may have done some hacking at some point to get it to do that.

Yep, it does require hacking. That said, using over 4GB RAM on 32-bit Windows requires kernel patching anyway so some hacking is required whichever option he chooses. The unsigned drivers on 64-bit Windows 7 is easier to do (less steps) than kernel patching.
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... Is there any harm to running more ram than usual on a 32 bit OS ? ...

Depending on your hardware there is a possibility that you may find some driver incompatibility problem (the official reason for limiting client 32-bit Windowses to ~4GB since XP SP2), so make sure the original ntkrnlpa.exe remains intact, and always let a "standard mode" entry in the boot menu, for peace of mind.

Memory Remap/Memory Hole Remapping must be enabled in BIOS for this heresy to work.

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...or any disadvantage ?

Although miles better than 4GB-limited W7-32 (x86), RAM-unlimited W7-32 is obviously not as fast as W7-64 in some tasks.

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The limit for 32 bit OSes is 2gig a program ...

With good ole /3GB switch that can be increased ~50% to about 3GB per program. Proceeding for W7-32. I use increaseuserva 2816 .
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Dang, ive read all your guys replies and its actually made me really happy knowing that i may finally have a chance to but myself an SSD! YAY. And this Kensington Trackball Mouse works without drivers, its just that there are four buttons on each corner and i use the left two buttons (for left click and right click) when the default is using the bottom two buttons (for left click and right click)

Basically i have to use XMouseButtonControl which is a software that allows me to custom keybind my mouse, but it only works on the desktop but games it doesnt seem to work :/

So "technically" it works without the Kensington software but i need the driver/software to re-keybind.

Honestly what applications would limit me with 2gb max? What i want to clarify is, ill be playing games like BF3 or BF4 that will be using 3-4gigs of ram right off the bat. Will running in a modified 32bit Windows 7 hinder me from running programs that use more than 2gb, 3gb?

The only heavy programs i think i run besides games are Google Chrome, and probably a photo/video editing software from Adobe CS4 Master Suite.

I just browsed through the tutorial yesterday, from 1-10 how difficult can this modification be? Ive never edited anything OS related but im willing to give it a try if that means i can finally take the step into owning my first possible SSD smile.gif

Also, i believe they sell a newer version of my trackball mouse called the Kensington Slimblade but it says it only has drivers for Vista, no w7 support. Ive tried to install unsigned drivers on w7 64 bit, it simply wont work. It has to be 32 bit to work. 64 bit has this weird thing where it doesnt allow unsigned drivers to work which i think is complete BS. Its saying its trying to protect me from "unsigned drivers" when here i am thinking "wow, it works perfect in 32 bit but 64 bit doesnt just because of certification? WHAT? -_-
Edited by Aesthethc - 10/15/13 at 2:27pm
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You can; but it only uses 4GB of my RAM and i need 8GB of ram to use the mouse when i am gaming. I use about 6GB with Battlefield 3 up, and my browsers and other programs running in the background. 32 bit has a limit of 4GB while 64bit has a limit of 128 or something... thats why ):

................Get a new mouse.
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................Get a new mouse.

I would, but ive tried other mice and they dont get me flying a Helicopter or Jet as easy/perfect (dont mean to brag, heh) in Bf3.

I am an avid helicopter pilot in BF3 and been playing flight sims since i was a child on this mouse. This mouse really helps being accurate (for me) when flying head to head against joystick pilots.
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... What i want to clarify is, ill be playing games like BF3 or BF4 that will be using 3-4gigs of ram right off the bat. Will running in a modified 32bit Windows 7 hinder me from running programs that use more than 2gb, 3gb?

Don't know about BF4, but as a matter of fact BF3.exe is 32-bit biggrin.gif :

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I've played BF3 on my "unlimited" 7-32 with 16GB of RAM and it ran like a charm devilsmiley.gif .

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The only heavy programs i think i run besides games are Google Chrome, and probably a photo/video editing software from Adobe CS4 Master Suite.

No problems there.

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I just browsed through the tutorial yesterday, from 1-10 how difficult can this modification be? Ive never edited anything OS related but im willing to give it a try ...

Take your time reading and understanding the proceeding. If after that you don't feel confident, buy a new mouse.
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I don't know if Battlefield 4 will be 64 bit or not, but I think it will probably really hate the 2-gig limit in 32-bit Windows.

Like TELVM said, you CAN increase the limit to 3 gig, but that only leaves 1 gig of address space for the OS and under "high RAM" (for 32-bit) scenarios, it will likely cause instability.

You are MUCH better off trying to get your drivers going in 64-bit OSes then getting a 32 bit OS, especially if you plan on playing next gen games. The 2gig limit is only going to seem smaller and smaller.
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