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Why do people whine about the clocks? Both cards are tested with their reference specs and OCing has no ground as it varies from card to card.
290X has serious potential, with driver updates this thing can have a full lead over the titan. Most driver enhancements have been exhausted by nvidia for kepler as Ive heard, it would be interesting to see what nvidia will pull next.

Because without stating the clock speeds the data is meaningless.
    
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But those GCN gains are already baked into the 290X, since it is still GCN. It'll get some gains over time, as usual, but I don't think you'll see the big-bang gains like we saw with early GCN drivers.

As others have said, we really need to see some custom cooling or water cooling clocks - if the speeds are being limited by the thermal constraints of the reference cooler, then you might be able to unlock pretty good performance gains with custom cooling or water, like the GTX 480 did.

i.e. we're going to need to wait for OCNers to get their hands on this. At least the blocks are supposed to be released with the cards.
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Why do people whine about the clocks? Both cards are tested with their reference specs and OCing has no ground as it varies from card to card.
290X has serious potential, with driver updates this thing can have a full lead over the titan. Most driver enhancements have been exhausted by nvidia for kepler as Ive heard, it would be interesting to see what nvidia will pull next.


OCing have a huge ground for me. If a card have more OC headroom in general, I would go for that one. AMD driver enhancement are for GCN, this card is using GCN, I do not expect much performance increase drivers, if at all.
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My sweet spot gaming is @ 1440p and from what I'm seeing on preliminary performance the 290X is a sweet GPU especially at the price it's being speculated.

Titan killer, most likely not. Do I care, not. Better than 780 performance and pricing when I do compare it, thus I'm glad I waited. smile.gif

Would love to see TrueAudio adapted by gaming devs to hear through my HD650 cans. If used can offload up to 14% of the CPU to the audio processor. Improved enhanced directional sound and CPU performance boost. thumb.gif
     
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I remember thinking it was kind of odd that they spent hours talking about their new audio tech in their Hawaii presentation and then in the last 15 minutes gave a little blurb about Mantle, when that really seemed like a game changer. Taking the above into consideration though it's starting to make sense.

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This is an honest question I have: with such a tiny performance difference separating the 780 and the Titan already, why are people excited about the possibility of the 290X coming in between the 780 and Titan?

My point is: I don't think the performance on this card is really relevant at all. Maybe 10% relevant - as long as it's in 780/Titan ballpark it's fine. The relevant info - at least 90% of the significance here - is pricing.

I have a very, very hard time understanding why a card that's between 780 and Titan levels of performance, but priced like a 780, could be seen as exciting. I don't say that to troll anyone, I just don't get it. On the other hand, a card that performs like that and costs $100 less, say $550-570... THAT I can see as exciting.

It's 1 % slower than the titan according to the OP with drivers that don't support the product, and you think 600 $ is too much?
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Has anyone compared these screens to other older leaked ones??? I recall some of the old ones had 1600 #s. If the older ones at 1080 are inline with these, they *could* give us an insight on what to expect @ 1440/1600.
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We'll see what Mantle brings to GCN based cards you'll be up for a surprise I suppose.

Mantle will give decent performance improvements but won't be in every game, as it is now it's only worth caring about if you play BF4/other Frostbite titles that will benefit from it. (If other titles get support...I could see AMD doing a bundle with Battlefront 3.)
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Lol 40%?! My goodness, you are really gobbling up that pr teams speel.

In terms of hardware, a HD4200 is probably equal to slightly better than the GPU in the Xbox 360..Yet the 360s GPU seems to perform about on par to a 8800GT these days.

I don't expect amazing gains (20% sounds about right as you may start hitting CPU bottlenecks more often then if you're not running a decent clocked SB, IvB or Haswell) but people are vastly underestimating how inefficient DX and OpenGL actually are...Not to mention it's getting developers from DirectX which is only a good thing regardless of what products you use. (Even if your main PC is an ARM based Chromebook)
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We weren't talking about Mantle. We were talking about drivers.

Most likely another 10-15% over a year or two, I'd wager...It depends on how much they've changed GCN internally (ie. Look at the Northwood and Prescott P4s, both were the same Netburst architecture but had some fairly big differences) and how many optimizations they've already gotten. (If the HD7970 was AMDs lead product for longer, you can bet they'd still eek a bit more performance out of it over time...Console makers are still finding new optimizations at a slow pace after 6 years, remember.)
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I remember thinking it was kind of odd that they spent hours talking about their new audio tech in their Hawaii presentation and then in the last 15 minutes gave a little blurb about Mantle, when that really seemed like a game changer. Taking the above into consideration though it's starting to make sense.

The audio tech is more definite positive PR for them...There's still confusion and unease as to how Mantle will work and take off whereas the audio tech is pretty definite and probably even a positive for the Steambox among other things.
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But those GCN gains are already baked into the 290X, since it is still GCN.

Prescott saw benefits from programs being compiled specifically for it despite still being the same old Netburst architecture as Northwood, afaik architecture doesn't dictate the entire design as much as people think it does at least for CPUs meaning if AMD has changed enough then they could still get quite decent improvements. (I think 10% being likely, 15% if we're lucky over a year or two)
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i.e. we're going to need to wait for OCNers to get their hands on this. At least the blocks are supposed to be released with the cards.

When is that never true? Sadly a lot of reviewers have no idea what they're doing with OCing...Hence why Phenom II was quite a bit quicker in the hands of normal users who tweaked their CPU/NB speeds than reviewers who had used the stock speeds for that while merely multi-OCing the main CPU clock.
    
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It's 1 % slower than the titan according to the OP with drivers that don't support the product, and you think 600 $ is too much?


Meh. That's plenty good enough to win forum arguments and get decent marks from reviews. But consider me unimpressed for a 5% performance bump and 10% price cut after 5 months compared to the 780


I mean it's better than nothing, but I was expecting more aggressive pricing
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eh i'll just stick with snagging another 7970. kinda disappointed.
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