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1) Titans have 6GB

2) Bus width alone doesn't really mean anything. What you want is high bandwidth (why do you think manufacturers prefer a bigger bus late into the life cycle of a gddr generation and a smaller bus early?). The 290X only has ~11% more bandwidth than the Titan.

Besides, the review in the OP has resident evil 6 both at 1080p and at 1600p 4xMSAA. The difference between the cards at 1080p was 0fps and difference at 1600p was 1fps in favor of the 290X, most likely due to rops or random variation. Such a mind blowing difference.

Besides, at its rumored max memory oc (6ghz) the 290X has about the same amount of bandwidth as a max memory oc titan.

Lots of bandwidth and memory is great and all but you gotta have the SPs to use them.

alatar at 1440p / 1600p and 4k the 33% extra ROPs are going to matter. the R9 290X is 2x the perf of HD 7870.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1434246/various-new-benchmarks-reveal-the-r9-290x-leading-over-gtx-titan

that was expected given how HD 7870 was 1.9x the perf of HD 7770 for a perfect doubling of all resources. R9 290X has 2.2x the sp count and the rest are perfectly doubled. so 2x HD 7870 perf is logical. now let me give you a clue of what you can expect at 1600p

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/26.html

2560 x 1600

HD 7870 - 65 (older drivers)
R9 270X - 72 (13.11 beta)
HD 7970 Ghz(1050 mhz) - 97
R9 280X(1000 mhz) - 97 (13.11 beta)
MSI R9 280X(1050 mhz) - 100 (13.11 beta)
GTX Titan - 124

With the 13.11 drivers the HD 7870 should gain around 2 - 3% just as R9 280X(1050 mhz) does against HD 7970 Ghz(1050 mhz). a pure 2x perf scaling over HD 7870 would put R9 290X at 134 - 136. roughly 8 - 10% faster than Titan at 1600p. this number is what we will see with most reviews. at 1080p the gap will be lesser.
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Why is it you put so much emphasis on 4k? TBH many of these 290X is king of 4K comments come from people that want to see "290X BEATS Titan" no matter what. Assuming it does and at a lower price, A person dropping 3500USD on a 4K display probably won't be worried about the cost of the cards, but more with performance. We still havn't seen benchmarks of 290X in crossfire. Only single card performance. We already know Titans scale very well at 4k.
Actually the only reason why I would care if 290X beat Titan is because of arrogance of some Titan owners and in particular Alatar. Otherwise I don't care. My post even earlier in the thread put it in the light it should be a choice. I don't hate Nvidia at all. I have used them before with no issues as with my AMDs. I am only interested in the full performance of the 290X and what it can do. I am just tired of seeing those that wish to defend against all hope the Titan and its bios and it power and its cooler and its.... This thread is about the 290X, hence my interest. I am not interested in the Titan as I already know about it.
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wow hard to believe they threaded the needle of the performance gap between the 780 and titan. it was soo small!
if the 290x is $549 its a deal, if its $699 its not worth it.
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Depends.

If it OCs to titan levels of performance and comes in at $650 or less then yes. I'm putting it against the 780 classy here obviously though. Titan is a pointless comparison at this point. It was for early adopters (8 months ago btw, even bigger gap than Cypress to Fermi...) and is for people who want double precision or 6GB.
I've learnt that unless you add "I speculate" at the beginning of each line of text people will say that you are saying something you are certain of. Only thing I'm certain of right now is that Hawaii has been pushed much harder than GK110 at stock and the likelihood if it OCing to match is pretty much nil.
Nope. Learned nothing.
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Actually the only reason why I would care if 290X beat Titan is because of arrogance of some Titan owners and in particular Alatar. Otherwise I don't care. My post even earlier in the thread put it in the light it should be a choice. I don't hate Nvidia at all. I have used them before with no issues as with my AMDs. I am only interested in the full performance of the 290X and what it can do. I am just tired of seeing those that wish to defend against all hope the Titan and its bios and it power and its cooler and its.... This thread is about the 290X, hence my interest. I am not interested in the Titan as I already know about it.

This biggrin.gif

I always said that Titan is dual card on same die and should be compared only with Xfire and SLI cards. Big size, high temps, high power consuption. Titan and Hawaii as well will more interesting after 20nm.

I will never agree with methodology which Nvidia and later AMD used when developing those two cards. Its just like "my ... is bigger than yours"...
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

For people that wanted epeen, nothing more, nothing less. DPFP-hungry users went Quadro (or Radeon), cost-effective performance users went multicard. Titan was for epeen.

Or for people who did not want a 680/7970 level single GPU perf 8 months ago... Just saying. Some peeps just aren't interested n multi card. Especially when at the time AMD wasn't a multi card option due to all the stuttering issues and NV cards were less than ideal for high resolution due to the low bandwidth.
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alatar at 1440p / 1600p and 4k the 33% extra ROPs are going to matter. the R9 290X is 2x the perf of HD 7870.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1434246/various-new-benchmarks-reveal-the-r9-290x-leading-over-gtx-titan

that was expected given how HD 7870 was 1.9x the perf of HD 7770 for a perfect doubling of all resources. R9 290X has 2.2x the sp count and the rest are perfectly doubled. so 2x HD 7870 perf is logical. now let me give you a clue of what you can expect at 1600p

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/R9_280X_Gaming/26.html

2560 x 1600

HD 7870 - 65 (older drivers)
R9 270X - 72 (13.11 beta)
HD 7970 Ghz(1050 mhz) - 97
R9 280X(1000 mhz) - 97 (13.11 beta)
MSI R9 280X(1050 mhz) - 100 (13.11 beta)
GTX Titan - 124

With the 13.11 drivers the HD 7870 should gain around 2 - 3% just as R9 280X(1050 mhz) does against HD 7970 Ghz(1050 mhz). a pure 2x perf scaling over HD 7870 would put R9 290X at 134 - 136. roughly 8 - 10% faster than Titan at 1600p. this number is what we will see with most reviews. at 1080p the gap will be lesser.

ROPs matter when you have the SP power to match.

Besides, instead of thinking about different GPUs times two, then accounting for X, Y and Z I just gave you an actual example of a situation where Titan and 290X are dead even at 1080p and the 290X leads 1fps at 1600p with high MSAA.
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Nope. Learned nothing.

Please read a post before replying. What part of "chances" and "pretty much" are 100% certain? Do you deny that Hawaii has been pushed harder than GK110? Why do you think the possibility of it clocking as high (or actually higher to match the Titan let alone beat it) as GK110 is anything but close to nil?
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And if it does all of that at a lower price than the titan then it's a pretty good deal then hey Alatar? smile.gif

Indeed, but it all hangs on exactly how much lower, this is what everyone wants to know.
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Actually the only reason why I would care if 290X beat Titan is because of arrogance of some Titan owners and in particular Alatar. Otherwise I don't care. My post even earlier in the thread put it in the light it should be a choice. I don't hate Nvidia at all. I have used them before with no issues as with my AMDs. I am only interested in the full performance of the 290X and what it can do. I am just tired of seeing those that wish to defend against all hope the Titan and its bios and it power and its cooler and its.... This thread is about the 290X, hence my interest. I am not interested in the Titan as I already know about it.

I understand, many of us snatched Titans for epeen, and after dropping a good amount of money on them, what else could you expect? At the time of release it performed better than any other single gpu card, stock cooler looked amazing and its a fun card to overclock, game on, or just simply show it off on the internet. I bought mine before becoming a member here, but I showed it off on youtube lol. Anyways back on track, Titan will need to be mentioned because its the competitors Top card. I mean we can't compare it to a 680, that would be silly. The reason why Titan will be mentioned on every 290x forum, is because that is the card to beat, and after 8 months of being released, it would be a shame if AMD didn't beat it at a lower price. Technology moves really fast in 8 months, would be a different story if Titan and 290X would be released on the same month and year.
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This biggrin.gif

I always said that Titan is dual card on same die and should be compared only with Xfire and SLI cards. Big size, high temps, high power consuption. Titan and Hawaii as well will more interesting after 20nm.

I will never agree with methodology which Nvidia and later AMD used when developing those two cards. Its just like "my ... is bigger than yours"...
Why on earth should it be compared to xfire or sli? It is a single gpu. Big size is true, but that is simply the GK110. High temperatures are a given on any graphics card. Power consumption is actually relatively low for the Titan considering its size. It only starts to get really high once you have the modded bios for the Titan and push it. If you wanted to use the power consumption as a reason for the Titan should be compared to xfire or sli configurations, then the 290x should be included as well. The recent "leaked" benchmarks show how much power consumption you can expect...
    
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For people that wanted epeen, nothing more, nothing less. DPFP-hungry users went Quadro (or Radeon), cost-effective performance users went multicard. Titan was for epeen.

No, no you're wrong my Titans play games in 3d surround great.
Just because you dont need the grunt doesnt mean other people don't and only buy for epeen. When i bought my Titans none of the 700 series had even been mentioned.
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