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Oh dear.

Most everything I listed I learned in the first weeks I started PC gaming. I started PC gaming because I wanted Oblivion's mods. I learned about safe mode and changing graphics drivers quickly after, since I was told installations were best done in safe-mode. Since I overclocked my GPU, I knew I had to watch the temps and so I had to have some program to do that.

Changing registry values came later, but mostly because I didn't have anything to change. The events viewer came later too as you don't know you need it until something is wrong. Obviously, following directions played a part in all of these things.

Just because YOU are able to doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE can. People who "get" computers are the minority, not the majority.
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Just because YOU are able to doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE can. People who "get" computers are the minority, not the majority.

In all honesty, I'm one of the most tech illiterate "techies" around. I graduated HS in 1988 and never used a PC save for looking up PS1 cheat codes until I went to college in 1998, and then just for writing papers and leisure internet. I didn't even buy a PC until the end of 2007, it was that laptop I bricked with a BIOS update 2 weeks after I bought it ...I don't even count it as my first gaming laptop because it was gone so quickly. Then I picked up most of the stuff on my list in a few weeks with my real first gaming laptop that I didn't kill. rolleyes.gif

In no way do I really get computers like most here. I view it more like people who learned how to read music and the play guitar vs. those who know some chords to some songs. When it comes to PCs, I know some chords to some songs.

When somebody asks me to teach them about computers [rare, but it has happened], the first things I cover are restore points, safe mode and virus scans. If there is any gaming capability, I will then lead them to a few good free games which teaches them to use search, how to download, then I have them scan the file they just DL'd and then they install it. [good old "learning by doing"]. Then I finish up by showing them how to update their graphics driver.
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You're giving normal gamers way too much credit and yourself way too little credit.
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Over the last 5-10 years it's been my belief that gaming will be what brings linux in to the spotlight finally. Thanks to Gabe Newell pimping linux so hard lately, it may actually happen. This doesn't just mean games for linux. It means distros will get better. It means more stuff will be fixed. It means more hardware compatibility. It means more driver support from AMD and Nvidia. It means more open source options for the end-user. This can go far beyond just gaming on/using linux.
 
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You're giving normal gamers way too much credit and yourself way too little credit.
Yeah, simply do a youtube search for PC gamers and see how many of them know what they are talking about when they talk about hardware or software. I have seen too many to count not know what is happening when things go bad in games only to write it off as a bad game. The most recent one being the BF4 beta so many youtubers were wondering why their monster PC is performing horribly not actually knowing where or what to look at.

Its also not specific to gaming I have had fellow students in my programming classes not know how to do basic computer tasks such as compressing a folder or bringing up the task manager.

If you can maintain your PC without getting viruses and malware and do everything you need to from gaming to browsing the web safely and know how and where to go to fix your problems yourself you are in the 1% of computer users.
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Again though, it's not about the hardware, but the support. Even if only 1 out of 10 people need email/phone support, it becomes necessary to have a paid support team, and a paid support team cannot be paid for by a free OS.

Most users call Dell, etc for support anyway as far as I know, I think I've heard of someone calling MS maybe...once? Hell, a lot of computer illiterate people I know seem to think Microsoft is a separate company from Windows.
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You're giving normal gamers way too much credit and yourself way too little credit.

You're giving them far too little, honestly...I do see a lot of highly illiterate ones (Including one guy who is kind of literate but was trying to convince me he OCed his HD7790 to Titan speeds) but I see more that know at least the basics and far more than your typical user.

It depends what you mean by gamer though, if you're talking someone who plays a few indie games, Minecraft, etc then probably not (Most of my Uni friends, even the Macbook owners, play games like Binding of Isaac, Minecraft, KSP, Osmos, etc) but if you're meaning the more classical way of defining gamer (ie. AAA games) then I'd wager the true answer lies somewhere between what you two are saying.
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Well if they intend to make Linux a gaming OS, first, they need to pick a distro as a standard, like Ubuntu or something, and get nvidia and amd to write easy to install video drivers and not have to jump thru hoops to get them installed. This is a major turn-off for everyone except the most Linux die hards.

I have an Ubuntu 12.04 box that I cant get AMD drivers to install on - well they do install, but its limited. It thinks my desktop is a laptop and wont let me change the resolution and stretches the screen at 1600x1200 when its supposed to by 1920x1200 native. And these are the latest drivers. Going back to the default drivers get my resolution back but no hardware acceleration so gaming is a no-go. I didn't have this problem with 10.04 Ubuntu, they installed fine and hardware acceleration was there.
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Well if they intend to make Linux a gaming OS, first, they need to pick a distro as a standard, like Ubuntu or something, and get nvidia and amd to write easy to install video drivers and not have to jump thru hoops to get them installed. This is a major turn-off for everyone except the most Linux die hards.

I have an Ubuntu 12.04 box that I cant get AMD drivers to install on - well they do install, but its limited. It thinks my desktop is a laptop and wont let me change the resolution and stretches the screen at 1600x1200 when its supposed to by 1920x1200 native. And these are the latest drivers. Going back to the default drivers get my resolution back but no hardware acceleration so gaming is a no-go. I didn't have this problem with 10.04 Ubuntu, they installed fine and hardware acceleration was there.

That's probably a problem with Ubuntu and some other distros, but many distros have packages for downloading and installing the latest proprietary drivers relatively painlessly. Though my experience with ATI Catalyst drivers has been much more frustrating, but Nvidia drivers were pretty much plugin and play on Arch Linux.
 
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Well if they intend to make Linux a gaming OS, first, they need to pick a distro as a standard, like Ubuntu or something, and get nvidia and amd to write easy to install video drivers and not have to jump thru hoops to get them installed. This is a major turn-off for everyone except the most Linux die hards.

I have an Ubuntu 12.04 box that I cant get AMD drivers to install on - well they do install, but its limited. It thinks my desktop is a laptop and wont let me change the resolution and stretches the screen at 1600x1200 when its supposed to by 1920x1200 native. And these are the latest drivers. Going back to the default drivers get my resolution back but no hardware acceleration so gaming is a no-go. I didn't have this problem with 10.04 Ubuntu, they installed fine and hardware acceleration was there.

They're concentrating on Ubuntu and Mint.

And I'm not sure what the problem you're having is...I literally just installed drivers without touching the terminal on my laptop without issue. I know for a fact that keeping up to date is way easier too depending on distros, no need for 3rd party programs or anything and for Arch at least it's literally just part of your normal system upgrade. (eg. What MS was kinda trying with Ethernet, Monitor, Chipset, etc drivers appearing in Windows Update)

The thing they need is better open source support for drivers, that way the support is baked into the kernel and it doesn't matter if you use Ubuntu or LinuxFromScratch, because they'll be there.
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