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Clothpad + lower DPI or Optical || Hardpad + higher DPI or Laser

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I often read ads of gaming peripheral manufacturers, where they suggest a clothpad for lower DPI or sometimes optical mice. Otherwise they proclaim a hardpad is optimal for higher DPI or laser mice.

Logitech with their G240 and G440 is a current example. Their first mousepads.


IMHO though, I feel exactly the opposite.

When I have a lower DPI mouse I'm (drastically speaking) a lower-sens type of user.
When I have a higher DPI mouse (like 5000 for example) I'm (again over-the-top here) a higher-sens type of user.
Considering that a clothpad has more friction and a smooth surface for slower mouse movements
and that a hardpard has less friction and a rough surface for faster mouse movements ...

then I want to consider a hardpad (or harder pad) as a lower-sens type of user won't I?
Because I could make slow movements to be more precise, but fast swipes for those quick turns (for example)
would go easier from hand because of the faster, rougher surface.

And I would consider a clothpad for a laser ... hm, let's better say I would consider it for a higher DPI mouse upsidedwnsmiley.gif for the same but opposite reason: smooth surface for slower mouse movements for those super-fast high DPI mice, so they still are able to move the cursor slowly.

Maybe the pretty much non-existent-anymore problem of lasers with clothpads was the reason for those IMHO misleading suggestions thare are mentioned in the headline of this topic! ohno-smiley02.gif

Well, I'd simply like to end this rant/braintumor/whatever and would like to know what other forum members are thinking of it ... bigeyedsmiley.png
Edited by detto87 - 10/16/13 at 9:34pm
post #2 of 8
Hi,

Cloth pads are easy to get in larger size more suitable for low-sense (or low dpi) gameplay. Further this type of gameplay is often implying FPS games and this needs higher max speed and is better off with no acceleration thus an optical sensor is a better choice anyway.

Previous generations of vcsel (laser) based sensors have a better performance on hard surfaces compared to soft surfaces in terms of maximum speed, and also have a more unstable cpi on cloth pads with higher speed/acceleration.

In combination this makes the recommendation for the most suitable combination of hardpad+laser and clothpad+ptical so common.

This rule-of-thumb does not include the surface quality in terms of (directional) friction, touch feeling, noise or anything like that at all.
post #3 of 8
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Cloth pads are easy to get in larger size more suitable for low-sense (or low dpi) gameplay.
But why is that? Maybe because the user doesn't ask for it because he was telled otherwise, and therefore a market hasn't evolved yet?
Seriously, it's not a problem to make a piece of plastic just a bit bigger. No rocket science. Qpad has sth done like that a while ago.


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Further this type of gameplay is often implying FPS games and this needs higher max speed and is better off with no acceleration thus an optical sensor is a better choice anyway.
Higher max speed is not a point for optical afaik.
Also, considering what the top players are using, they do fine with the low acceleration from current laser sensors.

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Originally Posted by Skar View Post

Previous generations of vcsel (laser) based sensors have a better performance on hard surfaces compared to soft surfaces in terms of maximum speed, and also have a more unstable cpi on cloth pads with higher speed/acceleration.
But are those problems still present?

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Originally Posted by Skar View Post

In combination this makes the recommendation for the most suitable combination of hardpad+laser and clothpad+ptical so common.
Which is a shame though. redface.gif


I'm using optical + cloth btw eversince. smile.gif

Oh, and don't get me wrong on this.
I don't want to shift the recommendation to what I currently think would be more helpful.
I just want do drop with the recommendation altogether because there are many viewpoints and preferences on what one likes and feels suits best.
Edited by detto87 - 10/16/13 at 10:56pm
post #4 of 8
I believe the common mix of being a niche product with rather high cost make it rather unattractive.
A 9HD is already at 30~35 - i dont know what size you consider but at some point it would be probably rather expansive.

It was meant as point for optical, not for laser.

This still holds true for 9500/9800 generation compared to 3090 - so lets say "last generations" optical sensor.
Could be that PTE and current gen opical sensor have even higher advantage compared to the last avago laser sensor generation.

However it also held true in the past for 6010 and 6090 so thats like ~5-6 years or so.
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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

Oh, and don't get me wrong on this.
I don't want to shift the recommendation to what I currently think would be more helpful.
I just want do drop with the recommendation altogether because there are many viewpoints and preferences on what one likes and feels suits best.

I blame the press, who allways pushes for those bold generalized statements smile.gif.
post #6 of 8
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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

But why is that? Maybe because the user doesn't ask for it because he was telled otherwise, and therefore a market hasn't evolved yet?
Seriously, it's not a problem to make a piece of plastic just a bit bigger. No rocket science. Qpad has sth done like that a while ago.
Higher max speed is not a point for optical afaik.
Also, considering what the top players are using, they do fine with the low acceleration from current laser sensors.
But are those problems still present?
Which is a shame though. redface.gif


I'm using optical + cloth btw eversince. smile.gif

Oh, and don't get me wrong on this.
I don't want to shift the recommendation to what I currently think would be more helpful.
I just want do drop with the recommendation altogether because there are many viewpoints and preferences on what one likes and feels suits best.

IMHO, a cloth pad is much more easier to roll up, so they can make a cloth mouse pad as big as they wish, and do not need to care about how to store it. Hard mat, however, can't do that and they are really easy to be suffered from physical physical impact, such as bending, collision... therefore a big hard mat is not an ideal thing for storage and transportation.
In addition, the cost of making a hard mat is very high already, so making a bigger piece of aluminum sheet, for instance, is not about technology, is all about how many people are willing to buy it.
Then, laser mice already have inconsistent acceleration, and cloth pad will just make it worse, especially when they are dirty (which is harder to clean than a hard mat).
I think you knew that pro gamers use almost everything from their sponsor, like Steelseries, just because they are paid for doing that, NOT means Sensei, Kinzu v2, gaming headsets are the best in term of gaming equipment. Nearly all of pro FPS gamers use mid to high sensitivity now, so mouse acceleration does not affect them as much, and they can beat everyone with any decent mouse.

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post #7 of 8
Not all Laser illuminated sensors have perceivable acceleration. Only really effects the the current and popular UGS (9500/9800) architecture.

Previous and alternative designs do not share the issue.
post #8 of 8
They jitter much more on cloth than on hard pad. What's the advantage of 6000DPI laser mouse if you can use only up to 800DPI without jitter.
Edited by Glymbol - 10/17/13 at 2:33am
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