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This feels werid for me as I've been building PC's for about a decade now and I've never been in the predicament that I'm in as when we made the jump from the first dual core FX series Athlons to Phenoms, it was an easy choice and Intel / AMD were much closer in terms of performance. I've separated this whole debacle into separate parts. I know I'm probably keeping my chassis, I have HAF 932s and HAF Xs that are getting new radiators.

I have a Phenom II 965BE on an M5A99FX Pro 2.0. I'm going to have to upgrade as my Phenom is choking my video cards, 4 GTX 470s (3 in SLI with DangerDen blocks 1 for Physx). They only peak at 87% usage with my CPU at 99% in the BF4 Beta though they can pull between 55FPS-65FPS in Metro Last Light on Ultra with AA off @ 1080p. They have insane cooling requirements and the power draw on those cards is so stupidly well...stupid that they have to go. As of right now it takes an RX360 (push pull), a Magicool 140mm (push pull), and a Phobya 200mm (push) to keep my processor and cards below 50c. I will be getting a few 770s, 780s or Titans and putting them under water. The big question here is will the FX 8350 be worth purchasing and putting into my current motherboard OR should I just eat the cost of a 4770K and Asus Z87 Deluxe? I don't want to have to upgrade in a year or two. I don't really overclock my CPUs because I haven't had good luck with it. If I go with the FX 8350 I can use that extra difference for water blocks and better (and quieter) fans.

My workstation consists of a(n) I7 980X on a Rampage 3 Gene with a Quadro FX1800 and it has 32GB 1866 Corsair Vengeance Triple Channel DDR3 and a 250GB SLC SSD with 4x 15K RPM SAS drives as well as little black voodoo magic that allows my gaming rig to become the main render node. I do professional photo and video editing on the 980X. I want to get a more stable LGA 1366 motherboard as the 980X can easily keep up with the 3960X in most tasks (and absolutely CRUSH the FX-8350). I am going to use the GTX 470s mentioned above as extra oomph for CUDA based applications as it'll use however many CUDA cores and however much VRAM you throw at it. I'm trying to find a new motherboard for it but can't find anything outside of the server category that supports the 980X which is basically a Xeon X5680 with a single QPI link. I'd like to have enough slots to put these 470s on it, the alternative being a PCIE x16 backplane with a(n) HBA. Where would you guys source high quality legacy motherboards? Intel discontinued the consumer lga1366 socket in 2012 but no one has anything. I love server/enterprise gear however the ROI on a brand shiny new workstation with Maximus is just not in the cards financially.

I had a thought about using my current i7 980X and throwing a pair of 780s at and making it my new gaming rig then building a Haswell Xeon based workstation for the sheer fact that now I have a functioning SAN, I can build my workstation rather efficiently with low footprint and storage requirements.

I'm losing my mind because everything out there is really good but the fanboy camps are driving me nuts. I haven't used a system with an FX 8350 as a daily driver so to speak but do the benchmarks really speak volumes or is the actual experience day to day not really a big difference?
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With all those video cards (and ram) on Intel you'd definitely want to go 2011 socket (Ivy Bridge E).

Here's what you'd gain:

Quad Channel RAM
Less cooling needed
The ability to upgrade to a 6 core / 12 thread processor
3 full PCI E lanes

It'll only cost you money.

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What he said.
But, and this is not in my experience zone, an 8350 and a 4770K, outside of single threaded apps trade off "bests" for various programs. Not "the best" for strictly gaming, but likely worth a visit. Possibly.

I have no idea how well 8350s deal with SLI though. And without overclocking the 8350 is a more mundane processor.
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Thirded on the IB-E. The 4820k is about the same price as the 4770k anyway. Only reason I went with haswell is that the motherboard selection was a little better, and ~$150 cheaper. And I don't plan on running more than 2 cards till 4k is more mainstream, hopefull around HW-E or Skylake/SL-E.
Edited by jrolle - 10/18/13 at 5:19pm
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The specs on the ASUS M5A99FX PRO 2 look very nice! That board has a lot of life left. You are in the unique position of being able to double your current performance for $150. To me the decision would be simple. If you go the other route you spend way more for not much more speed.. Unless you could sell the mb, but still.

I have a 1280x1920 portrait mode monitor hooked up to my PC and always have the CPU monitor running during games on that 2nd monitor and most games scale very well to all 8 cores without monopolizing any one core. Almost everything screams for 8 cores. I also have an Alienware x51 with 3770 and both system were about the same before I went with SLI in the AMD project.

This $144 CPU was such a great deal. BF4 95 fps - I'm loving it now. In two to three years it will be still be 80-90%(or whatever, not here to argue) of the speed of a 4770K which will probably be less than 50% of the speed of whatever is current, so both will be outdated like my i7 740 QM notebook is now. Still nice, but showing its age.

As far as not having luck overclocking, if you keep the stock speed then you should undervolt the CPU and run the CPU cooler/quite. Its absolutely silly to run these things at the stock speed/voltage and you would have to have the worst luck in the world not to be able to lock the thing in at its turbo frequency and just run at that speed. turbo is silly...

Anyway good luck with whatever route you pick smile.gif

not a fanboy have both systems.
Edited by bbond007 - 10/18/13 at 7:32pm
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I ended up picking up an FX-8350 for $150 that was still new in box from a friend of mine. I am now starting at this HAF X and thinking about putting in dual Phobya 400mm rads and a pair of GTX 770 hydro coppers. Little tip for everyone, I ran the numbers and after you buy the block, a GTX 780 Classified, and a backplate; after shipping and tax they are absolute steals! the 4GB 770 hydro coppers are going for about $630 a piece from various vendors.
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Nice! Enjoy! :-)
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