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post #11 of 18
This one biggrin.gif
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138380
It's a sweet,solid board.

unless you want a greasy z87x-oc for $140..then PM me :eek.gif
 
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whats the best mobo in the 200-300$ bracket 1150 socket for occing
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doh! z87x-OC,z87xOC-formula,Maximus 6 gene
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Im liking the boards u guys suggested actually. even though its a Z87 and i dont plan on overclocking, instead of buying a $80-$90 H87, H81 board,

if these boards are on sale like it is, i would probably get those instead. but is it efficient?
like no bottle necking or anything?
people keeps telling me to NOT buy a Z87 board if i dont plan on overclocking since a H87 board is the same as a Z87 but no overclock, thus making it $30 - $40 cheaper.

For note: I like the deals on these though, since the deals are making these Z87 boards the same price as a H87 board.
]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138380&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-Biostar-_-13138380
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138381&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-Biostar-_-13138381


and that brings me to 2nd question regarding those z87 boards. it seems like people on other forums suggest me to stay away from Z87 boards if i DO NOT plan to overclock, and save the money by buying a H varient board.
but people on this forums keeps pushing me towards the Z87 even if I DO NOT plan on overclocking.

What is the difference exactly between Z87 and their H varients? (other than that Z87 can overclock CPU assuming you have the unlocked CPU)

and last question, in those 2 boards, the are the exact same except one is a Z87W and the other is Z87X, what is the suffixes W and X mean?

Not sure if i said it already but thanks for the help guys
Edited by IMKR - 10/19/13 at 7:33pm
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and that brings me to 2nd question regarding those z87 boards. it seems like people on other forums suggest me to stay away from Z87 boards if i DO NOT plan to overclock, and save the money by buying a H varient board.
but people on this forums keeps pushing me towards the Z87 even if I DO NOT plan on overclocking.

People that say to stay away from Z87 unless you plan overclocking assume that you would save money if you get non Z board. The problem it is not always the case; thus, you see people here recommending Z87 boards regardless. If you find a good H87 board that is cheaper than Z87 counterpart go for it.
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What is the difference exactly between Z87 and their H varients? (other than that Z87 can overclock CPU assuming you have the unlocked CPU)

That's all the difference on chipset level. What is actually sold on the market, H board usually have far less perks that you get with them because manufacturers generally use those chipsets for low-end boards. And actually, earlier during Haswell launch, ASRock boards on H chipset could overclock because they forgot to lock down OC features lol. So difference between H and Z boards is Intel's marketing bogus.
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and last question, in those 2 boards, the are the exact same except one is a Z87W and the other is Z87X, what is the suffixes W and X mean?

X board has PCI-E switches that would allow PCI-E X8/X8 at 3.0 and the last one would run of PCH at X4 2.0.
W board just has X16 wired to one slot, and second one runs of PCH at X4 2.0, and 2 less phases (or 1 actual phase).
So X is better for CrossFire. Unfortunately both don't support SLI which is weird since X board complies with Nvidia requirements. I guess Biostar didn't want to pay for licensing whereas CrossFire is free to implement.
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yeah i figured the only difference was due to cost. So i guess if i do find a Z87 board on a great sale i will go for that instead

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X board has PCI-E switches that would allow PCI-E X8/X8 at 3.0 and the last one would run of PCH at X4 2.0.
W board just has X16 wired to one slot, and second one runs of PCH at X4 2.0, and 2 less phases (or 1 actual phase).
So X is better for CrossFire. Unfortunately both don't support SLI which is weird since X board complies with Nvidia requirements. I guess Biostar didn't want to pay for licensing whereas CrossFire is free to implement.


Also ur answer for my question led to another question biggrin.gif

I dont understand what PCI-E and all that stuff exactly is. can you explain it simply?
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Yea, those are slots on the board where you install addon cards such as video cards, sound cards, and etc. Video cards use full sized X16 slots, but if 1st fill sized slot on most boards is electrically wired to X16, the following slots are usually not. In case of Biostar X board, the second slot is wired to 8 lanes, and the last to 4. First 2 slots also share lanes (16 total), so if you just use the first 1, it will run X16, but if you add something in the second slot in order for second to work it has to "borrow" lanes from the first slot (8 lanes), so they become 8 lanes each.

ATM there is no or very minor performance hit if you use a GPU at X8 speeds.

One other good thing about PCI-E is that you can run X1 sound card in X16 PCI-E slot. You can also do the other way around (X16 video card in X1 slot), but in this case there is bandwidth loss.
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Here's a large picture about that x16 and x8 business that might be interesting. If you open it in full size and zoom in and look at the two long PCI-E slots, you can literally see why it's at most x8 in the second graphics card slot. (EDIT: made a mistake... on the board in this picture, that's x4 in the second slot! not x8)



I'm a little biased because I like cases that are a little more compact than normal, so maybe ignore me. I would for example look into the Silverstone PS07 (painted white) or PS07B (black). I like the idea behind the case. It has very good cooling despite only needing two case fans because of its layout. The case seems excellent but it's still not very expensive, perhaps because of its mATX size.

For board, I'd just choose something cheap and mATX. For example this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157384

This ASRock board does not seem bad at all despite its price. It already has Intel LAN instead of some cheap alternative.

The H81 and B85 boards are perhaps a little too cheap. I don't like that they all seem to only have two RAM slots (is that a chipset limitation?) There was also some other chipset feature of H87 that I thought might be interesting but I can't remember now.
Edited by deepor - 10/19/13 at 8:39pm
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