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I don't think 47 knucklehead is that far off. Maybe with the maxwell part, that is wild speculation, but the rest is actually what is happening right now.

 

agreed

 

I actually don't think Maxwell will be out for another 8-10 months. At that point it might go either way.

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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Face it people, the R9 290X was made to beat nVidia's highest performing main stream card ... the GTX 780 ... and the 290X did that ... 6-7 months after the 780 was released.

It was a card designed to beat a specific competitors card ... the GTX 780.

Then, nVidia counters with what will most likely beat the R9 290X ... the GTX 780Ti. nVidia has been SITTING on this card for awhile now, and just waited for AMD to tip their hand.

By all accounts, it will be faster, quieter, cooler, consume less power, and will be priced within $50 of the R9 290X.

This is AMD's "last hurrah's". nVidia is so far ahead of AMD on graphics cards, they can afford to just sit on better cards and REACT to anything AMD puts out. nVidia is already well along in their next generation cards, Maxwell, and AMD will be, most likely, 6 to 9 months behind.

I think the 780ti is just a reaction by Nvidia. Not sure what would go into just re-releasing the Titan with compute disabled and calling it the 780ti, but I think that is what they have done. A Titan with disabled compute and a $699 or less price tag.

Edit: Whatever the case, AMD needs to get on the ball with this release. The games they have been playing have went far enough. They better cash in now before Nvidia has time to react again.
Edited by criminal - 10/21/13 at 7:40am
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The 780ti is most likely a Titan carbon copy with 3GB of VRAM and a lower price. Titan still technically trades blows with the 290X while the GTX 780 loses, so if NV releases a 780ti at 650$ then the mission is accomplished. The performance difference between the 290X and Titan is ambiguous enough to where NV may (and most likely WILL) retain the single GPU crown with a 3GB Titan, but it will be priced much more attractively than the current 1000$ Titan.

But I seriously doubt NV will release a cheaper faster SKU than Titan, unless they discontinued it. That just makes absolutely zero sense.

I can see merit in both brands here, I think even NV fans should be glad that they got the holiday bundle and 780ti as a direct response to the 290X. It's whatever though. Fanboys will be fanboys, and they're annoying whether they're red OR green. They're all annoying. wink.gif I just wish people would be less one sided and brand aligned in their comments - I own a 780 but i'm pretty darn impressed by this 290X. Looks pretty good, but it all depends on the price. If it's the same price as the 780, i'd rather get an overclocked 780 personally.
Edited by xoleras - 10/21/13 at 7:45am
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Just gaming benches that made sense (no weird stuff like 580 = 780 or 7870 beating R290X), within playable framerates, 1080p only:

Battlefield 3 - 1080p, Ultra 4xAA, DOF 90
R290-X - 108.1 fps
Titan - 102.5 fps
780 - 95 fps

Far Cry 3 - 1080p, Ultra 4xAA
Titan - 59.6 fps
R290X - 59.1 fps
780 - 55.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 1080p, Very High 4xAA
Titan - 48.4 fps
780 - 45.8 fps
R290-X - 45.1 fps

Metro Last Light - 1080p, Very High
Titan - 68 fps
780 - 62 fps
R9-290X - 60 fps

Max Payne 3 - 1080p, Highest 16xAF 2xAA
R290-X - 125.1 fps
Titan - 115 fps
780 - 113.9 fps

Bioshock Infinite - 1080p, Ultra DDOF
Titan - 144 fps (NOPE, disregarded)
R290-X - 92.5
780 - 88.7 fps

Pretty good overall thumb.gif
Edited by Tippy - 10/21/13 at 7:42am
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The 780ti is most likely a Titan carbon copy with 3GB of VRAM and a lower price. Titan still technically trades blows with the 290X while the GTX 780 loses, so if NV releases a 780ti at 650$ then the mission is accomplished. But I seriously doubt NV will release a cheaper faster SKU than Titan, unless they discontinued it. That just makes absolutely zero sense.

Yeah, Titan would need to go EOL for the 780ti to be priced as low as it needs to be.
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This man drinks the green kool aid by the gallons. Don't expect to find objectivity here!

Seriously, the one sided brand aligned comments are just annoying and ridiculous. The 290X is a heck of the card if it is sub-600$. But don't expect the extremist NV guys to say anything except everything NV touches is gold and everything AMD sucks. I own a 780 myself, but i'm impressed by the 290X. Objectively it's a great card if the price is right - besides which, you have the 290X to thank for the holiday gaming bundle and the 780ti - possible price cuts as well.

Put your pitcher of green kool aid down , IMO, and be objective. The one sided comments are just annoying.

also, think about this (if he is being one sided). im also a 780 owner, & the fact that the "780 Ti" just happens to be released coinciding w/ this card is more than a bit coincidental. if he is pitching for nvidia, he's essentially taking it up the chimney from them & liking it. i also am glad about the 290x. not so much the 780 Ti.
    
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Just gaming benches that made sense (no weird stuff like 580 = 780 or 7870 beating R290X), within playable framerates, 1080p only:

Battlefield 3 - 1080p, Ultra 4xAA, DOF 90
R290-X - 108.1 fps
Titan - 102.5 fps
780 - 95 fps

Far Cry 3 - 1080p, Ultra 4xAA
Titan - 59.6 fps
R290X - 59.1 fps
780 - 55.8 fps

Crysis 3 - 1080p, Very High 4xAA
Titan - 48.4 fps
780 - 45.8 fps
R290-X - 45.1 fps

Metro Last Light - 1080p, Very High
Titan - 68 fps
780 - 62 fps
R9-290X - 60 fps

Max Payne 3 - 1080p, Highest 16xAF 2xAA
R290-X - 125.1 fps
Titan - 115 fps
780 - 113.9 fps

Bioshock Infinite - 1080p, Ultra DDOF
Titan - 144 fps (NOPE, disregarded)
R290-X - 92.5
780 - 88.7 fps

Pretty good overall thumb.gif

i am impress thanks for the overall data.
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Originally Posted by Renairy View Post

Fail, so much fail
Almost a year after the Titan, 6 months after the 780 and what they release a card within -/+7% ?

The card performs identically to a 780 or Titan in some cases in terms of FPS, so this card is nothing revolutionary at all.

 

 

Except...

 

As i see it mid-nov:

 

Titan = $849

780ti = $649

780 = $579

R9 290x = $569  <---

R9 290 = $499

 

 

 

With the R9 290x being the clear winner @ BF4.

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I don't think nvidia has to price the 780ti around 290x levels, if it goes all the way below 599 that is. Plain 780 will be signficantly slower than the 290x and will still outsell it. It's how it is. People bought 680s even post june 2012 when it was clear the 7970Ghz was faster and (usually) cheaper. AMD has tried everything, faster cards at lower prices with plenty of OC headroom and with free games,it just won't happen.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Face it people, the R9 290X was made to beat nVidia's highest performing main stream card ... the GTX 780 ... and the 290X did that ... 6-7 months after the 780 was released.

It was a card designed to beat a specific competitors card ... the GTX 780.

Then, nVidia counters with what will most likely beat the R9 290X ... the GTX 780Ti. nVidia has been SITTING on this card for awhile now, and just waited for AMD to tip their hand.

By all accounts, it will be faster, quieter, cooler, consume less power, and will be priced within $50 of the R9 290X.

This is AMD's "last hurrah's". nVidia is so far ahead of AMD on graphics cards, they can afford to just sit on better cards and REACT to anything AMD puts out. nVidia is already well along in their next generation cards, Maxwell, and AMD will be, most likely, 6 to 9 months behind.

If you had any proof for the stuff you say, you might actually have some credibility instead of coming off as a senile blabberer like you do now
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