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also, think about this (if he is being one sided). im also a 780 owner, & the fact that the "780 Ti" just happens to be released coinciding w/ this card is more than a bit coincidental. if he is pitching for nvidia, he's essentially taking it up the chimney from them & liking it. i also am glad about the 290x. not so much the 780 Ti.

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This is what happens when you try to play catch up, You can never assume that the industry leader is just sitting on its laurels while a competitor has dreamt up something better with fewer resources, unless you assume that Nvidia is just incompetent.

Yes, but it was never this close. When AMD had the best card on the market (7970) NV needed to bring Tesla to gamers to beat it. Now AMD goes bigger die and catch up and NV do not have anything to really counter it. They still will have the best GPU, but the margin is so small now. Will be interesting watching what 20nm will bring.
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personally , i would never buy a AMD/ATI card , even if its 400$ less than the "best" and offers the same performance , no one is gonna "make" me buy one , call me a fanboy biggrin.gif its my money , and im not "competing" with anyone who has the bigger e-penis lol


... but im sure recommend it for someone who is on a budget smile.gif , and its great that AMD is "resurecting" and attacking the giant king ... AMD here is the underdog and is attacking full force , and in a excellent timing too , nvidia doesnt have anything to "really" counter for like the next 6+ months


u guys gotta remember something , we are a minority community . The "outside" the "mortals" , the "regulars" , the "not informed"... they know that ATI sux nVidia rules . its the same as Apple vs Android ... and u all know who is winning now

Stop posting, thanks.
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This is AMD's "last hurrah's". nVidia is so far ahead of AMD on graphics cards, they can afford to just sit on better cards and REACT to anything AMD puts out. nVidia is already well along in their next generation cards, Maxwell, and AMD will be, most likely, 6 to 9 months behind.

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Is there anything not optimized for either AMD or Nvidia cards that can be ran to show the true better competitor?
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So, is the 290X capable of running in less-than-Uber Mode, and if so, what's that do for the marks? Taken on their own the numbers are impressive, but if it requires earmuffs and a restraining bolt to get those numbers, that throws a bit of a damper on things.
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Think of it this way: Nvidia has had two years to refine their response to whatever AMD brings out and not to mention R&D spent for new products and features over the same time period. Nvidia has probably thought through innumerable pricing/performance scenarios and sensitized these through their financial models. They most likely have a number of alternate production and marketing plans which they can pull off the shelf, depending on what the competition does. The swift announcement of the 780Ti among other feature set announcements was not a "panicked" or knee jerked reaction, but a thought out contingency business plan.

This is what happens when you try to play catch up, You can never assume that the industry leader is just sitting on its laurels while a competitor has dreamt up something better with fewer resources, unless you assume that Nvidia is just incompetent.

I disagree. The 780ti release looked like a quick-fix refresher to put a damper on the 290x momentum. If it's something thats been in the pipes as long as you say, don't you think we would of had even a tidbit idea about it's existence before it's announcment? And if Nvidia was confident about it, wouldn't you expect them to say more about the card than what they did? They released zero information, and basically said "Oh, we're coming out with the best card ever made" at the end of the conference.

Needless to say, these next few weeks are going to be very interesting. It's about time this market got a stir, the status quo was getting boring thumb.gif
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personally , i would never buy a AMD/ATI card , even if its 400$ less than the "best" and offers the same performance , no one is gonna "make" me buy one , call me a fanboy biggrin.gif its my money , and im not "competing" with anyone who has the bigger e-penis lol


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u guys gotta remember something , we are a minority community . The "outside" the "mortals" , the "regulars" , the "not informed"... they know that ATI sux nVidia rules . its the same as Apple vs Android ... and u all know who is winning now




And I'm still wondering why I've read 2 -3 pages into this thread and STILL, only 2 people have called into account the validity of these benchmarks. It's like they just randomly threw this crap together.
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And I'm still wondering why I've read 2 -3 pages into this thread and STILL, only 2 people have called into account the validity of these benchmarks. It's like they just randomly threw this crap together.

I'll agree, they look like trash to me. Definitely taking them with a grain of salt. Waiting on guru3d and anandtech still...
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Face it people, the R9 290X was made to beat nVidia's highest performing main stream card ... the GTX 780 ... and the 290X did that ... 6-7 months after the 780 was released.

It was a card designed to beat a specific competitors card ... the GTX 780.

Then, nVidia counters with what will most likely beat the R9 290X ... the GTX 780Ti. nVidia has been SITTING on this card for awhile now, and just waited for AMD to tip their hand.

By all accounts, it will be faster, quieter, cooler, consume less power, and will be priced within $50 of the R9 290X.

This is AMD's "last hurrah's". nVidia is so far ahead of AMD on graphics cards, they can afford to just sit on better cards and REACT to anything AMD puts out. nVidia is already well along in their next generation cards, Maxwell, and AMD will be, most likely, 6 to 9 months behind.
nVidia hasn't exactly been sitting on the 780Ti. They're simply taking GK110 and disabling or enabling certain parts of the chip to make it more competitive with Hawaii. Given the right tools, I could make the same changes to GK110 myself.

We don't have benchmarks yet, but in lieu of the Hawaii, nVidia has already announced the 780Ti. That makes me feels as though Hawaii handily makes the 780 irrelevant. The fact that the card is based on GCN 1.1 instead of 2.0 leads me to believe AMD never intended to bring the chip to production, and reluctantly decided to do so due to pressure from nVidia's GK110 consumer cards. Some of you may recall an article where AMD representatives bragged that Hawaii was "ready for production" in Q3 of 2011. (Many people, like myself, held off on getting 7970 because of that.)

Here's the thing though, I'm working on conjecture (and so are you.)
Claiming either company is "so far ahead" of the other is pretty ignorant, considering their performance is apples-to-apples in every price bracket. The only difference is that AMD has never competed in the market for GPU's in excess of $650, until now (as speculated.)

Now AMD is releasing a chip to compete with nVidia's 551 mm^2 die. AMD's chip is 424 mm^2, making it less than 80% the size of GK110 while supposedly delivering apples-to-apples performance. Tell me who's ahead again?

The real answer is: neither. They're both bringing different things to the table, for different reasons.
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