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post #191 of 3109
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So, this is a tiny bit off topic. But cleaning off and plugging in my ModMat Extreme so i could take my RIVE BE pics reminded me that i wanted to put this in my build log....

Basically, some ESD (Antistatic) Mats come with a cord that lets you plug into the wall so you can get a strong Ground for your mat. The ModMat's are probly the best ESD mats for a bunch of reasons, but they only come with an alligator clip to clip onto your metal chassis for a ground. When i bought my ModMat Extreme I did a bunch of searching on Google to figure out the best way to do it, and the info was harder to find than it should be.

Now, I have absolutely no electrician experience. So I'm not telling anybody that clipping onto metal isn't a sufficient way to ground your ESD Mat. I really don't know enough, but the knowledge that alot of the more expensive mats come with a wall plug wouldn't let me be happy til i could plug in my ModMat. Especially so i could feel confident enough to work with my RIVE BE or high end GPU's on it.

So basically i grabbed one of THESE from my local electrician supply shop. It was like 4 bux or something. You could really use any plug that has a 3rd prong for Ground.

You unscrew those 2 screws you can see in the pic, then there's 3 screws around the 3 prongs, and the whole thing just pulls apart. I modded mine a little bit and took the 2 Voltage Prongs out cuz i didn't need em (I highly doubt i really needed to do that though). Then I just grabbed some 14AWG Copper wire and crimped a Spade Terminal on one end and a Female Banana Terminal on the other end. The ground for the plug has a screw connected to it. I just unscrewed it a little bit, slid the Spade Terminal into it, and tightened it back down.

The alligator clip on the the ModMat Ground Wire pulls right off exposing a Male Banana Terminal that plugs right into the Female Banana i crimped on the Wall Plug.





















It's also a VERY good idea to plug into a Surge Protector that has an LED to show you whether it's grounded properly or not. Like this



If you wanna check if you put the plug together properly, the way to check it (or at least the way I checked it) was plugging it in, grabbing a multimeter, and checking the voltage of the surge protector i plugged it into. I checked the Female Banana Terminal on the end of the wire with the Black Lead from the multimeter and plugged the red lead into one of the Voltage Terminals on the surge protector (the smaller "Hot" plug on the right). If you live in the USA the Voltage should show somewhere around 110-125v 95-135v (thanks seross69) depending on your local power, and EU should be like 250 i think or whatever the local power is.

Hope this helps somebody thumb.gif

Edit: I actually completely forgot that i had to cut a little bit of the plastic off of the plug to get the Spade Terminal to sit flush like that. There is also a hole you can stick a Male Banana into instead of using a Spade with the Screw. As i said before i have absolutely no experience as an electrician so i wasn't sure if a Male Banana into the hole would make solid contact. Cutting the plastic so the Spade could sit flush probly took like 5-10 minutes with a hobby knife IIRC.
Edited by kpoeticg - 11/23/13 at 10:02pm
    
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post #192 of 3109
Couple of questions on what you did ?? why did you break the plastic off on the male plug to use a spade terminal instead of loosening the screw and putting it in the terminal and tighten the screw???

also a word of caution. be very careful doing what you did check the socket with a meter first... because I have seen these wired wrong and people get hurt. it is a little overkill grounding everything. but hey what ever floats your boat.. I can not help but laugh at this sorry. i have assembled computers with the parts laying on new carpet and never had a problem with static and know in theory it is possible and has happened to people before but in 25 years or working with electrical and electronics I have never done this..

another thing the surge protector really will not show you if it is grounded!! how would it as it has no reference to ground, all it shows you is that you have power between the ground pin and the hot pin. it could be reversed and still work. and they protect you from surges by use of a MOV and eventually this is going to let the smoke out and then you will just have a power strip. if you are really worried about surges get a ups. that way the power is coming from the batteries and not the wall socket.

I really like you mat because of all the references on it so send it to me!!!!

and actually in the USA 95 to 135 I think is what the power companies are allowed...
post #193 of 3109
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seross69 View Post

Couple of questions on what you did ?? why did you break the plastic off on the male plug to use a spade terminal instead of loosening the screw and putting it in the terminal and tighten the screw???

Do you mean instead of sticking the banana end of the plug that came with the ModMat into the hole in the plug? Basically, cuz then it would be a permanent fixture. I did it like that so i could Plug/Unplug my Modmat Ground from it whenever i wanted. If I was just doing something small, i wouldn't necessarily feel the need to Ground from a socket. I can just put the alligator clip back on and clip to metal. I've only used it plugged in recently on my RIVE BE.
Keep in mind, i found pics of mats that came with plugs but couldn't really find a good tutorial. So i kinda figured it out for myself.
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also a word of caution. be very careful doing what you did check the socket with a meter first... because I have seen these wired wrong and people get hurt. it is a little overkill grounding everything. but hey what ever floats your boat.. I can not help but laugh at this sorry. i have assembled computers with the parts laying on new carpet and never had a problem with static and know in theory it is possible and has happened to people before but in 25 years or working with electrical and electronics I have never done this..

That's why i said to use a surge protector that has status LED's. Kinda takes away any danger on the socket end.
I've personally never had any kind of issues with static ruining electronics. I'm still fairly new to the game, and i just know stuff i've read online. Having the ESD mat makes me feel better about just placing my expensive mobo down on a bare surface. It could very well be unnecessary.
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another thing the surge protector really will not show you if it is grounded!! how would it as it has no reference to ground, all it shows you is that you have power between the ground pin and the hot pin. it could be reversed and still work. and they protect you from surges by use of a MOV and eventually this is going to let the smoke out and then you will just have a power strip. if you are really worried about surges get a ups. that way the power is coming from the batteries and not the wall socket.

I really like you mat because of all the references on it so send it to me!!!!

and actually in the USA 95 to 135 I think is what the power companies are allowed...

When i mentioned checking it with the Multimeter to see if you assembled the plug properly, I checked the ground off of the wire i made with the Hot Terminal in the surge protector. So it shouldn't show the right Voltage if you didn't assemble it properly. Otherwise the Ground off of the Plug/Wire i put together wouldn't complete a circuit with the hot plug from the surge protector.

I wasn't recommending use of a surge protector because of surges. I was under the impression that some of the more expensive surge protectors with "Grounded" or "Not Grounded" LED's told you if the surge protector had a proper ground or not. A few of the youtube videos i watched about ESD mats said the same thing.

Keep in mind i put this together a few months ago when i knew even less than i do now. It works though.
My favorite part of the ModMat is the reference charts too though. The first time i've used it for it's ESD purpose was with my RIVE BE

And i completely forgot that i had to shave off some of the plastic to put the spade terminal like that. redface.gif
I only remembered cutting out the plastic around the Voltage Prongs. Guess i should add that part in. Thanks for pointing that out thumb.gif
Edited by kpoeticg - 11/23/13 at 10:16pm
    
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post #194 of 3109
I was not criticizing just making sure you had the correct knowledge and you do...

nothing can tell you if you have a true ground unless it is hooked to a true ground!!!! so those mats and surge protectors are advertisement unless you are hooking up one side to a true ground. by true ground I mean a independent rod that has been driven in the ground or to a steel or copper pipe that runs underground.

if something is depending on the power grid in a building then it is also depending on the person that hooked it up in the building and like I said I have seen people have it hooked up wrong and been hurt by this trying to do electrical work in buildings and trusting ground and wire colors!!!
post #195 of 3109
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I guess that makes sense about whoever installed the wiring the building. I actually spent a few hours reading about ESD mats on the EEV forums before i put this together. Like i said, i couldn't find a single tutorial about how to do this so i had to kinda piece together info from different places. I read arguments back and forth for pages about people saying you need to stick a pole in the ground to properly ground an ESD mat, then other people arguing back that the wall is fine, then other people saying that clipping on metal is fine.

Like you said about never having any kind of issues with static ruining electronics, i figured a wall socket would be sufficient. Clipping on metal just doesn't feel safe enough for me to plop $500-$1000 electronics down on and not worry at all.

If the wiring's faulty in the building though, wouldn't problems happen that would make you aware of it?

And i don't take it as criticism. If I'm doing something wrong, i like to know thumb.gif

Also, I'm def not trying to talk anybody into buying a ModMat. Im truly not experienced enough to weigh the pro's & con's from an educated perspective. But IF you already own one, especially the Extreme since it's like $60, the total materials for this mod probly comes out to like $6 so it's worth it. smile.gif
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and actually in the USA 95 to 135 I think is what the power companies are allowed...

I updated my post with that
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post #196 of 3109
yeah people get too passionate about this subject sometimes.. and what really drives me crazy is I am a engineer and have done this work since I was old enough to walk and they will try and prove me wrong...

You can have your house wired wrong and everything will work correctly, only thing is you might get shocked if you were using something that was metal but everything is made out of plastic now so not much chance of that...

a wall socket is most likely will be fine just really want you to know don't trust a lot of things that people trust!!!

my favorite thing is lighting cant hurt my stuff because i have everything on a surge protector.. and when i try to explain why he is wrong they start telling how the sales man told them they were good for this and that.

where did you buy the mod mat i would like to have one for all the diagrams on it. i can never remember everything I need to!!!!
post #197 of 3109
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Interesting. Well as always I appreciate the knowledge biggrin.gif

Yeah sometimes people think they know everything and are too stuborn to learn something new. tongue.gif

I'm pretty sure i grabbed my ModMat at FCPU. It looks like they're outta stock on the Extreme, and that's the only one with useful charts on it. I wish it didn't have that stupid Socket chart. I can't imagine not knowing what socket CPU you have LOLLLLL. PPC's looks like they have it in stock, HERE
    
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Also, this came in the mail for me this afternoon. I was too busy sorting through my BE pics too take any pics of it.






These things are much smaller in person than i pictured...
    
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So here's a tiny update of how I'm gonna fit my bottom XT45 360. It's just a small update cuz its late. Some of the before pics are subpar cuz i was kind of in a rush to make sure i got some work done before i went to bed. Also, that 2nd PSU bracket i have, the only reason i was able to get a 2nd matching XB PSU bracket was because @Dgeorge1617 was kind enough to send it to me. Thanx Brotha!!!!






















I'll definitely finish filing it tomorrow. I'll also get some pics showing how there's plenty of room to fit the 360 between the rear PSU bracket and front panel. If i have enough time, maybe i can finally cut out the fan holes in the bottom too. I'm glad i waited, cuz i had it all masked up to do it with the 240 i was gonna put instead of the 360. Nothing worse than making a permanent mod and then changing your mind tongue.gif

Anyway, I'm gonna have some kind of plate (Acrylic or Stainless) in front of the 360 ports with a Drain Port connected to it. I have a Phobya 6 x 16mm Vandal Switch Plate that fits pretty perfect right over the front of the PSU Bracket and doesn't interfere with the 360. I'm gonna have the Drain Port coming out of the front port of the 360, with my loop running through the two top ports (that's what made me finally land on the XT45 for the extra ports). I'll have more pics to explain myself tomorrow. I took 2 xanax to help me fall asleep, i'm starting to go to that foggy place biggrin.gif

Thanx for checkin in thumb.gif
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going to be awesome when you are finished takes more skill to mod a small case to put all you are putting in it than to use a monster case like me...
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