Originally Posted by Domino
No one cares for this in the industry. This is why, since at least the days of the pyramids, we have used these devices known as trollies to move devices around. Any engineer doesn't need a small footprint desktop, and if they are in the field, or on the go, they have a laptop. Current size ultra books are plenty. In fact, after introducing the Surface Pro to P. Eng he was consumed into the device; he fell in love with the Suface Pro and wanted to order a bunch for his department. Sorry, but this is a mute argument.
Rest remain mute as they exist in competition options at less expensive prices.
I'm sorry I have to call you out on some of your arguments as most of them are rather baseless and formed on your limited personal opinion and experiences. You sound no more competent than the others who imagine Mac products as superior. I have no problem calling out either side on this. I take it somewhat personally with your comments that respectable engineers would never use a Mac.
I could walk you directly to Mac only labs within engineering departments at 8 of the world's top 50 engineering schools (some of which I attended or have taught at). I could introduce you to industry leaders who have Macs sitting on their desks. Perhaps you need to be pointed towards employee purchase programs for CH2M HILL, AECOM, URS, and Tetra Tech that allow their employees to choose between Macs or PCs. Those are facts, I have worked with those companies for the past 8 years and know some very well respected engineers who prefer a Mac just as I know some who prefer a PC. I have no problem saying it is around a 1 to 4 ratio of Macs to PCs. You would be amazed at the Army Corps of Engineers offices that are 90% Mac with a handful of PCs.
No doubt your experiences are exactly what you claim but they do not match the rest of the industry. I hope that does not come as a shock to you but it has to be said. Neither machine is significantly more capable than the other. What matters is the person sitting behind it. I can give an idiot a bulldozer to flatten a hill but I would get the same results if I gave him a shovel. Any competent engineer should have the intelligence to pick either and get the job done.
Support between the two platforms is exactly the same. Unless you are a start up or really small firm needing to keep costs to a absolute minimum what is bought will only be maintained never upgraded. It is cheaper and easier to just buy a new setup. If you are with Dell they will almost certainly just send a new machine with no questions asked when something goes wrong. It is neither cost nor time effective to upgrade hardware at a commercial level.
For the record I prefer Windows. I do own and have owned both and could easily switch between the two with little effort. The base level Mac Pro here would be difficult to build yourself under $2600. This admitadely is the first time I have looked at a Mac Pro and thought that it is a pretty good deal. Similar offerings fro HP and Dell are just a bit over. Course since we are speaking to business you would never buy just one so Dell and HP tend to cut a better deal in bulk than Apple. If heat and upgrade prices are not outrageous this would be a decent choice for anyone who prefers Mac. I will even go so far as to say that Mac Pros have dropped in price comparison the past few years when compared to other workstations. Four years ago they were not even close to good value but now is a different story.
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I'll defend anyone's choice so long as they realize that their choices only pertain to themselves. Forcing a Mac person to use a PC and the reverse of that, is more harmful than anything.