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$50 in your pocket, or 20 more FPS in games? Heck, $50 more on a video card would be better than the faster processor in games. But why spend $50 more for extra frames your probably not going to use, as a 3800+ X2 will play any game there is right now just fine.
You really don't get the point do you. Like paul said, why spend $20 less on OLD technology that cannot compete with a system you COULD buy for $20 more. It's not $50 as you can see. However even if it WAS $50, that's nothing dude. That's shipping on a decent package. Why spend money at all if you're just going to cut every corner and cheap out...

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And again, the 3800+ will play any game fine.
Oh so you can play FEAR maxed out at 1600x1200 with no lag? You can join a 64 slot BF2 server with the game maxed out at a high res and experience no lag at all? The 3800 X2 is a decent CPU, but comparing it to even a 6300 is a waste of time. Not to mention that the 3800 will have trouble being rock stable past 2.8ghz while the 6300 will fly past 3ghz no problem.

About the board thing, sure you can buy the cheapest board made, if that's what you want to do.

Actually forget the board. Compare apples to apples because we could buy a cheap Gigabyte S3 as well:

184 (6300) -139 (3800 X2) = 45

Wow 45 bucks. That's a lot of money. You're right, going with the crippled system is a good choice when saving such a high amount of money. Think about it.

If you really want to talk about CHEAP dualcore rigs, let's not forget the Pentium D 805 which will OC to 4ghz+.
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post #32 of 95
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You really don't get the point do you. Like paul said, why spend $20 less on OLD technology that cannot compete with a system you COULD buy for $20 more. It's not $50 as you can see. However even if it WAS $50, that's nothing dude. That's shipping on a decent package. Why spend money at all if you're just going to cut every corner and cheap out...
Thats was a $180 SLI board compared to a $130 non SLI board, AMD SLI starts out at $130, how is it even a fair comparison?

Edit: With overclocking and the right videocards, YES you can play those games, same goes for the Intel setup.

And about the board thing again, $180 compared to $130..
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post #33 of 95
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Edit: With overclocking and the right videocards, YES you can play those games, same goes for the Intel setup.

And about the board thing again, $180 compared to $130..
Read the above post. I eliminated the board crisis you were having.

Yeah, you're right Jori, the 3800 X2 is a beast. I wish I bought that instead. It's such a good buy considering it's a FAR CRY from the FX-62 which still cant touch the C2D line-up. It's a great CPU, don't get me wrong. However it is not even an option (in my opinion) for people who are building computers at this point in time. It makes NO SENSE to invest in old, slow (compared to C2D) hardware.

Here's something to chew on:

* GIGABYTE GA-8I945GZME-RH
* Intel Pentium D 805 Smithfield 2.66GHz

* Combo Price: $126.99

* AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor
* BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 Socket AM2

* Combo Price: $202

You can save a WHOPPING $75 going with the 805! WOW
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post #34 of 95
Jori you are amazing. Can that $90 motherboard give you a 100% overclock. If you want something that can just play games, www.dell.com is the right place for you.

Clearly someone getting a low end CPU and motherboard will not be getting SLI. So that point is null. The fact is, the DS3 can provide a excellent overclock (100% +). I wanted to ensure that a motherboard of comparable quality would be used.

You blatantly deny logic in favor of brand loyalty, Brand loyalty is foolish. What has AMD ever done for you? What has Intel ever done for you? Nothing. They are there to take your money, so why not get the best for it?
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Jori, two words
BENCH ME?
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Paul, BigVal,

It's useless. Why even waste your time when logic is so clearly denied and abused?
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Wait, so now I am according to you, not an enthusiast or something? k...

And its simply not feasable in general to get a 100% overclock on and AMD.. But whats the point of getting such a high overclock? Bragging rights and high benchmarks, in real life usage things may be faster, but likely your system is already fast enough that it doesnt matter.

Im not trying to defend AMD so to say, just to defend that the 3800+ X2 is a good buy still, anything above the "lowest" offerings is usually pretty useless with overclocking taken into account, unless of course your running some extreme cooling and can actually push the processor. Im not going to say im not partial, but i've taken a approach of.. Why spend more than you need for unnoticable changes? Why get a 7900GTX if you have a 17" LCD? Pointless, more power than you need to get max out of current games.

Edit: Xecutor, I could care less.. You getting however many more points in 3dmark doesnt matter to me, I get more than playable framerates in games I play, why should 3dmark's make a difference to me?
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Wait, so now I am according to you, not an enthusiast or something? k...

And its simply not feasable in general to get a 100% overclock on and AMD.. But whats the point of getting such a high overclock? Bragging rights and high benchmarks, in real life usage things may be faster, but likely your system is already fast enough that it doesnt matter.

Im not trying to defend AMD so to say, just to defend that the 3800+ X2 is a good buy still, anything above the "lowest" offerings is usually pretty useless with overclocking taken into account, unless of course your running some extreme cooling and can actually push the processor. Im not going to say im not partial, but i've taken a approach of.. Why spend more than you need for unnoticable changes? Why get a 7900GTX if you have a 17" LCD? Pointless, more power than you need to get max out of current games.
I will take that as a secession of a strong headed individual.
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Yeah the 3800 X2 is still a good buy for most people who need nothing more than mild gaming performance and already have a good set of DDR (IF you continue to ignore the $75 cheaper 805 setup). I totally disagree that it's a good buy when going DDR2. Name ONE advantage that the 3800 X2 AM2 has over the 6300, please. $20-30 isn't an advantage. That's ridiculous. Who spends $500+ on a computer and then cheaps out at the last $20? ...
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Yeah the 3800 X2 is still a good buy for most people who need nothing more than mild gaming performance and already have a good set of DDR (IF you continue to ignore the $75 cheaper 805 setup). I totally disagree that it's a good buy when going DDR2. Name ONE advantage that the 3800 X2 AM2 has over the 6300, please. $20-30 isn't an advantage. That's ridiculous. Who spends $500+ on a computer and then cheaps out at the last $20? ...
Price isnt an advantage? Well I guess theres just performance. But $20 - $30? More that. Ive already said what the $50 or so can buy.
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