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Hi,
My target is 256GB SSD to work with my current Samsung 830. typical usage everything like apps, gaming , streaming, etc...

In order of importance I need it very reliable, good price and fast enough so which I should choose ?

Thanks.
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They all have roughly the same speeds but the EVO is probably the best of them all and the SanDisk the worst by a small margin. You won't notice anything at all real-world, only in benchmarks. SanDisk is best when it comes to price, but the EVO is often on sale and the M500 too, though a bit less frequently. $10 isn't too much more for either when you consider the added features. The one most worth mentioning would be the M500's enterprise-like features, among them is one that allow it to safely shut down when the power is cut. The EVO has RAPID software that lets it use a RAM cache, but most people have reported no perceived change. Seeing 2000+MB/s in your benchmark of choice is nice though.
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CynicalUnicorn my friend your replay is exactly what I was looking for. The safe shut down in M500 is really desired featured, I get power outage frequently and some important data must saved in the OS driver (SSD) for couple of weeks before I can take backup. Also when I read many reviews, some people say the MLC in M500 is better than TLC in EVO (dont ask my why) but what do you think ?
Edited by Welliam - 10/23/13 at 6:33pm
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No probz. I'm here to help and also because I might be procrastinating... MLC is both faster and more durable than TLC. Read speeds will be the same for practically any SSD thanks to SATA III bottlenecking them, but TLC drives' writes are measurably slower.

More bits in a cell means current must be applied several times to store data. The EVO compensates by using a portion of its TLC NAND like SLC in a write buffer - 3GB buffer up to 250GB and then another 3GB for every 250GB afterwards. It only stores a single bit in each cell in the buffer to speed up writes before copying it to the main storage area, compensating for TLC's slowness until it runs out, after which the performance drops significantly. For most typical uses, you won't reach that point though.

More bits in a cell also gives it a larger chance to fail, and although the TLC drives (840s and EVOs as of now) have a third the rated write cycles (1000 instead of 3000), the 120GB drives can take 120TB. That's a worst case scenario and still allows for 30GB/day for a decade, longer than a typical HDD. By the time it fails, it will be obsolete anyway.

But I think that a tiny bit of performance for lots better durability is a fair trade. You should probably spend a bit for a UPS if you get blackouts as frequently as you say. Even if it lasts only five minutes on battery, it still gives you enough time to safely shut down.
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But I think that a tiny bit of performance for lots better durability is a fair trade. You should probably spend a bit for a UPS if you get blackouts as frequently as you say. Even if it lasts only five minutes on battery, it still gives you enough time to safely shut down.

I have a UPS but in gaming I dont get enough time for clean shutdown anyway you mean the EVO is better durability or M500 ?
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For most typical uses, you won't reach that point though.
How bits run out ?
Edited by Welliam - 10/23/13 at 7:19pm
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I have a UPS but in gaming I dont get enough time for clean shutdown anyway you mean the EVO is better durability or M500 ?

M500 is better for reliability/durability.
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Originally Posted by rui-no-onna View Post

M500 is better for reliability/durability.

I see. Ok I want to ask please after frequent sudden shutdown is there any other problem can hapean to the EVO except for "unsaved" data get lost ? like damage in nand cells for example.
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If you live in the U.S. of A., then this is a wonderful deal. Be careful with blackouts since they can kill an SSD, as can brownouts. The sudden cuts and sustained voltage drops can damage any component.
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For most typical uses, you won't reach that point though.
How bits run out ?

Meaning you've filled up the 3GB buffer and the write speeds gets slashed since it will need to write directly to the main TLC portion. My 250GB 840 is slow in comparison to most other SSDs - 260MB/s sequential - but the EVO has much better performance from the new controller and refined NAND (I assume, I'm not really sure why) and should get around 300MB/s. Good? Enough, yes, but not in comparison. Unless you deal with large file transfers on a daily basis, there is no need to worry about that.
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Thanks CynicalUnicorn I think I will go for M500 from Amazon but thanks for the link.
Edited by Welliam - 10/24/13 at 5:15pm
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