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Is Furmark more power hungry than Firestrike Extreme Combined ?

Then please post your results with single card, I've made a decision by your measurment smile.gif

Thanks thumb.gif

I'm sorry i won't be able to run any more tests until Monday or late Sunday......i don't have my volt monitor with me.

I do remember drawing a 630w (580w usually) spike with my rig + a Giga 7970 Ghz 1000/1375 (volt locked) So you might be able to draw some conclusions based on that.

There is a link on the OP to a thread created by Sonda measuring the power draw on a single 290x iirc, Tsm106 also recorded some power figures as well earlier in the thread.

EDIT: http://www.overclock.net/t/1441118/290x-psu-power-output-tests/0_40#post_21156921

600w for a 290x clocked at 1200/1600 in Furmark with a 4770k etc.
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Most entry level PSU do peak their efficiency at around 40-60% load. However higher end stuff(80+ Gold, Platinum) the difference are too little to make a difference. Just look at AX1200 example, the moment it hits 30% and above, the graph remains more or less constant.
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Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko View Post

I'm sorry i won't be able to run any more tests until Monday or late Sunday......i don't have my volt monitor with me.

I do remember drawing a 630w (580w usually) spike with my rig + a Giga 7970 Ghz 1000/1375 (volt locked) So you might be able to draw some conclusions based on that.

There is a link on the OP to a thread created by Sonda measuring the power draw on a single 290x iirc, Tsm106 also recorded some power figures as well earlier in the thread.

EDIT: http://www.overclock.net/t/1441118/290x-psu-power-output-tests/0_40#post_21156921

600w for a 290x clocked at 1200/1600 in Furmark with a 4770k etc.

Thanks for useful post.
No problem. I will be waiting to Sunday or a Monday wink.gif
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Most entry level PSU do peak their efficiency at around 40-60% load. However higher end stuff(80+ Gold, Platinum) the difference are too little to make a difference. Just look at AX1200 example, the moment it hits 30% and above, the graph remains more or less constant.

Thats's positive the efficiency is still good at about 90% of load.
But then, isn't risky to use a PSU at 90% of load or it is not rapidly shorten of his lifetime?
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Thanks for useful post.
No problem. I will be waiting to Sunday or a Monday wink.gif
Thats's positive the efficiency is still good at about 90% of load.
But then, isn't risky to use a PSU at 90% of load or it is not rapidly shorten of his lifetime?

That is one issue with PSU, there is no proper way to judge it's life span. I had PSU which I can sort of sense is failing where your stable overclock suddenly trips the PSU requiring you to reduce the voltage and the 12v rail goes unstable, I also had PSU which just suddenly goes "pop". I currently had a 550Watt Platinum rating PSU which constantly stress it at 90% to even beyond the 550Watt rating at 610Watt~, so far it is still pretty much kicking after 2 years.

Most high end PSU has a insane warranty period anyway, 5 years++, EVGA even has a 10 years extended, so no harm getting the most out of it unless you see your 12v rail fluctuating or spiking.
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So anyone can test Meto LL for me, something strange is going on.

These are the settings, i would like to replicate.



My clocks are as follow.

1180 core, 1480 memory, 100mV+ 40 mV aux and 50% power limit, thanks thumb.gif
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So anyone can test Meto LL for me, something strange is going on.

These are the settings, i would like to replicate.



My clocks are as follow.

1180 core, 1480 memory, 100mV+ 40 mV aux and 50% power limit, thanks thumb.gif

I get 60 FPS @ 1200/1500 with those settings
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anyways any suggestions on which 80/92mm PWM fans should I use on my upcoming mod on the 290X, gonna use em to cool VRM.
Get a 140mm Akasa Viper and a shroud to funnel that air into 92 or 80mm... it's blow real good and still be ultra quiet.
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I get 60 FPS @ 1200/1500 with those settings

Well something is off will try to tweak it.
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Get a 140mm Akasa Viper and a shroud to funnel that air into 92 or 80mm... it's blow real good and still be ultra quiet.


I would but I forgot to mention, space is limited. I am fitting it into a bitfenix prodigy case xD


Anyways I just bought Arctic cooling F9 fans for it, just in case my stock cooler fan mod don't work (or if I mess cutting things up) I would have a back-up plan. xD
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I posted this in the blackscreen thread, but hopefully someone with read points and a DMM can find out just what is going on with the memory voltage, and this should be posted over here, too.

I may have some information which may or most likely, may NOT be related to people having black screens at STOCK, but should explain some things about black screens when overclocking the memory, or possibly solving them by either underclocking the memory or raising the core voltage.

I know, from testing, that my card (Hynix) runs stable at 1400 MHz memory with 0.961v in idle (2d/desktop). That's +0mv (default)

I also know that 1450 MHz and +0mv seems game stable but may trigger a completely random black screen at idle, when any GPU usage causes the clocks to go to 1450 mhz.

I also know that 1500 MHz +0mv will **ALWAYS** instantly trigger a black screen on the desktop as soon as any load whatsoever causes the memory clocks to rise--something as simple is putting the mouse over a desktop icon will cause this.

It seems like the black screen is simply a GPU shutdown from an error fault (which can be anything from VRM, too high GPU temps, memory issue, etc), but an unstable GPU (from overclocking) will either VPU recover (crash), or artifact.

It also SEEMS that the black screen from a memory related fault ONLY happens during a switch from 150 MHz to boost speeds. There could be other causes, as I doubt Battlefield 4 would ever cause the memory to downclock, but maybe the current core voltage drops too low in a cpu limited area..

With this, I found out a few things:

1) 1500 MHz and +25mv (0.984v idle desktop) is stable, and I can't seem to trigger the black screen.
2) The GPU speed/overclock speed seems to be irrelevant, but I've only tested this at 1100 mhz. I say it is irrelevant because the GPU never even clocks past 400 MHz when the black screen happens.

With this, I tried something.
I set my monitor (VG248QE) to 144 hz, which forces maximum RAM clocks at all times (seems both NV and AMD cards have this or similar quirk at these refresh rates).

2) I then set the memory directly to 1500 MHz at +0mv (default). So now my memory was 1500 MHz in windows without any downclocking.

What I noticed was bizarre.

The entire screen was flickering in horizontal lines, wildly. I could read the desktop, but the image was jumping around with flickering horizontal lines all over the place. HOWEVER IT DID NOT BLACK SCREEN! (gpu idle voltage=0.963v)

I then set the core voltage to +25mv.
The image INSTANTLY stabilized itself and became crystal clear.(0.984v GPU).

Then I loaded the final fantasy benchmark XIV in borderless mode to avoid any downclocking.
While it was running, I alt tabbed to MSI afterburner (which ran over the top of the running benchmark like an overlay) and set the core voltage back to +0.

There was zero flickering and the benchmark just kept running. I left it running for 15 minutes like this. There was no noticeable corruption or flickering, EXCEPT momentarily when the benchmark "reset' itself after all the scenes were done.

At this point I realized something.

It seems that the CURRENT CORE VOLTAGE (whatever the GPU is currently running at--NOT really what you actually set) somehow relates or influences whether the memory is stable or not. Almost as if the memory voltage, memory bus (which is supposed to be Aux voltage/VDDCI) is somehow either feeding the memory, or feeding it as some sort of skew or added voltage.

This may explain why -many- people have said they can get higher memory overclocks by raising the core voltage.

What someone needs to do is to take a multimeter (DMM), find the readpoints for the memory GDDR5 voltage (which is supposed to be spec'd at 1.5v), then see if raising or lowering the core voltage has any effect on the direct memory voltage itself, or if its somehow related to the memory controller itself (which may be different from the Aux voltage).


For you guys who are having black screens on the desktop when NOT overclocking,
Try 1 of 3 things first:

1) If you are using a 120/144 hz monitor, try setting the highest refresh rate, or anything that can lock the memory speed into boost speeds. Or use a utility (even the old GPU-z 0.7.3) that forces 3D clocks in windows. Does this stop the black screens?

2) Raise your core voltage by +25 or +50mv instead of underclocking the memory. Then check the current gpu voltage in gpu-z. Does this stop the blackscreens?

Before we can say the cause is flaky memory, someone first needs to find the memory GDDR5 read point and see if the core voltage is imaking this go higher or lower than 1.5v.

(note: raising Aux voltage to even 50mv did NOT help: my case seems to be purely a problem with insufficient core voltage in 2D, to stop the memory /controller/RAM/whatever from erroring out past 1400 MHz (I suspect 1425 MHz at 0.963v should be fine too).
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