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CPU usage is fine, about 80-90% across all 4 cores in BF4 64 MP. A single 290 runs BF4 at about 60fps and when I enable Crossfire I drop to about 50fps. Not a CPU issue. Also no reason to be going down in frames with Crossfire enabled and an AMD optimized game at that.

Also not a PCIE or RAM bottleneck issue since Valley benches just fine. All benchmarks in fact are great. In game performance however is disappointing.

The nice thing I suppose is that 1 card gets me by at 2560x1440 so I have some time for drivers to maybe improve the situation.

BF4 is CPU-bound, your render thread is being flooded with everything else and cant feed the cards quick enough. Same would happen on an SLI setup, but mantle however skips over software pre-processing from drivers and would perform a lot better, but you might still have to wait a bit for it to be ready on crossfire setups...
   
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BF4 is CPU-bound, your render thread is being flooded with everything else and cant feed the cards quick enough. Same would happen on an SLI setup, but mantle however skips over software pre-processing from drivers and would perform a lot better, but you might still have to wait a bit for it to be ready on crossfire setups...

Yup. BF4 will suck up every MHz of every component you have. CPU and RAM clocks help significantly with BF4. A jump to an i7 would likely help you out as well.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1442038/build-log-the-hawaiian-heat-wave/120

Page 13, Second post. Going from 1333 to 2400 ram speed netted 60% gain in average frame rates!
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Yup. BF4 will suck up every MHz of every component you have. CPU and RAM clocks help significantly with BF4. A jump to an i7 would likely help you out as well.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1442038/build-log-the-hawaiian-heat-wave/120

Page 13, Second post. Going from 1333 to 2400 ram speed netted 60% gain in average frame rates!

Do you know if there's any gain to be maid by overclocking my 2133 Mhz RAM?
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Do you know if there's any gain to be maid by overclocking my 2133 Mhz RAM?

You're already a fair amount ahead of 1333 or 1600, but there is always room for improvement. biggrin.gif This is OCN afterall.

You must also remember, not every game will scale like BF4 since it is coded to take advantage of modern systems.

This post from Xbitlabs is nearly 2 years old and regarding Ivy Bridge, but it can still get the point across as it applies for Ivy/Sandy/Haswell. They say 2133 is best bang for buck since you get most of the performance increase.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html#sect0

Faster memory reads/writes can help with everything running better. It's just that not everything will see the ridiculous gains that BF4 does.
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Clean rig thumb.gif

Was looking at pics of your rig and maybe some additional airflow to the cards will help. DC2 cards usually do a decent job of cooling.

Do you have a fan spot available on your side panel? If it's positioned properly it could give much needed fresh air to your top card.
Do you normally have the side panel off? Are your front fans pulling fresh air in? With the side panel on it may help air flow through the case and evacuate the heat better than with it off.

I see an open bottom 120mm fan spot. Try adding a fan there to bring some cool air to the bottom card. If the bottom card runs cooler, so will the top.

How does that 750W PSU fair with the two cards? I would have imagined 750W wouldn't hold up for 2 of these cards.

Thanks man smile.gif

Airflow wise the case is always closed. Fan controller maxed whilst gaming. I have two 120mm intakes on the front. One 140mm intake on the side directly onto the cards. One 120mm rear exhaust and two 120's exhausting up through the H100 rad on top. Might throw in another 120mm intake on the floor as you suggested and see if it makes a difference.

The 750w PSU seems fine with them tbh. I've been keeping an eye on it with a power monitor and the whole system typically pulls between 550w and 650w from the wall whilst gaming so a good of room to play with. I did see a brief spike up to about 730w after a 10 min run on Furmark but to be fair, that wouldn't by typical use. I was worried about it myself but I spent some time asking around the Power Supply forum here and they reckon the 750 will be fine!

Finally, I look on the EK site, the configurator shows WB for the DCU II but you can;t select them and there is no price. Do they exist today? Done a bit of googling and can only find "EK announce WB for DCU II" etc
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Your core speed of 1230 is exactly where I started getting artifacting in Valley before I went under water, and I suspect it is due to VRM temps because I did end up with 1260 as best core speed for Valley. Try backing your core speed down 5-10 and see if you can squeeze some more out of the memory. Some benches/games don't rely on RAM speed as much...

If your VRM2 temps are still in check why not try to push the memory a little more? This is OCN afterall biggrin.gif

Are you saying the artifacts are due to vrm1 temp? Shouldn't be, I don't like 90c but vrm1s are rated for well above that. Mem oc, I personally don't see a real world benefit to higher mem clocks. Like JJ from Asus likes to say, "core is king." But I have found, maybe it's my imagination, that higher mem can help core oc stability. This is an Elpida card though, dunno how much higher than 1500 I can go, everyone is always saying elpida does not oc well.

Anyway, just gamed a while at 1200 core, 1500 mem, I appear to be stable, but vrm1 temp way too high -- hit 99c at the end of a 2 hour Metro LL session. No artifacts though. But I'm thermal limited with my oc here. Maybe vrm1 sink isn't on right. Core hit 72c, vrm2 hit 50c. Lots of thermal headroom there, except I run into that vrm1 brick wall.
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Was looking at pics of your rig and maybe some additional airflow to the cards will help. DC2 cards usually do a decent job of cooling.

Do you have a fan spot available on your side panel? If it's positioned properly it could give much needed fresh air to your top card.
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I see an open bottom 120mm fan spot. Try adding a fan there to bring some cool air to the bottom card. If the bottom card runs cooler, so will the top.

How does that 750W PSU fair with the two cards? I would have imagined 750W wouldn't hold up for 2 of these cards.

The DCU II is great for the 780, but not so great for AMD R9s imho. I had a 280X DCU II, the cooler doesn't fit quite right. They just slapped the cooler designed for the 780 on these cards. Very quiet at stock and built like a tank though. Side fan and bottom fan make a huge difference for me on temps. Bottom fan especially. But side fan lowers my temps 3-5c. If you don't oc you can easily run 290 crossfire on a 750w psu imho. At stock, my factory overclocked card only draws 220w.
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some benches, though, like Valley - the cpu does not make much of a difference compared to some games

Valley might be less cpu dependent than other benches but cpu still makes enough of a difference that you can't cross compare. GrinderCAN has the same card I do, but he has a 8350 while I have a 4670k, I get 4-5 fps more than he does at stock. 5 fps in Valley is a big difference.
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Do you know if there's any gain to be maid by overclocking my 2133 Mhz RAM?
Its not so much the dram speed but its the tighter dram timinings and lower latency that does it
so answer to your question is YES smile.gif
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Thanks man smile.gif

Airflow wise the case is always closed. Fan controller maxed whilst gaming. I have two 120mm intakes on the front. One 140mm intake on the side directly onto the cards. One 120mm rear exhaust and two 120's exhausting up through the H100 rad on top. Might throw in another 120mm intake on the floor as you suggested and see if it makes a difference.

The 750w PSU seems fine with them tbh. I've been keeping an eye on it with a power monitor and the whole system typically pulls between 550w and 650w from the wall whilst gaming so a good of room to play with. I did see a brief spike up to about 730w after a 10 min run on Furmark but to be fair, that wouldn't by typical use. I was worried about it myself but I spent some time asking around the Power Supply forum here and they reckon the 750 will be fine!

Finally, I look on the EK site, the configurator shows WB for the DCU II but you can;t select them and there is no price. Do they exist today? Done a bit of googling and can only find "EK announce WB for DCU II" etc

Yeah I don't even bother using FurMark to judge anything anymore. It just pulls unrealistic amounts of power to create unrealistic amounts of heat. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Maybe you can fab up something to bring a fan closer to the end of both cards? Attach one to your HDD cage somehow?

Your other option is an AIO cooler on one or both cards. You could probably fit a rad at the rear 120 and another at that bottom 120 spot biggrin.gif

Kraken G10 sold out everywhere at the moment
https://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html

Option #2
http://keplerdynamics.com/sigmacool/radeonmkii
Need sinks on VRMs and airflow on them here.

Not sure what happened to TriptCC, can't find his site anymore.
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Not sure what happened to TriptCC, can't find his site anymore.

maybe nzxt has something to do with this...
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You're already a fair amount ahead of 1333 or 1600, but there is always room for improvement. biggrin.gif This is OCN afterall.

You must also remember, not every game will scale like BF4 since it is coded to take advantage of modern systems.

This post from Xbitlabs is nearly 2 years old and regarding Ivy Bridge, but it can still get the point across as it applies for Ivy/Sandy/Haswell. They say 2133 is best bang for buck since you get most of the performance increase.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html#sect0

Faster memory reads/writes can help with everything running better. It's just that not everything will see the ridiculous gains that BF4 does.


Thx for the link with physical proof thumb.gif I did see better results in some benchmarks when I overclock my RAM, but I was not aware of the gain to be maid in BF4. In that game I can use every FPS I can sqeeze out of my system to get my target of 120 FPS smile.gif
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