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Would getting a too large shim have any adverse effects? I can't think of any since it's in contact with a massive copper block. In some early posts someone mentioned that shims <1mm are too thin to be effective, but too thick might not screw it..

 

<1mm probably too thin to be sturdy.  There is always the possibility of longer screws if the shim causes issues.  I have seen numerous different types of screws for holding on heatsinks over the years.

 

The shims are pretty cheap, so why not order a 1mm and 1.5mm?  I think 2mm would really be pushing your luck.

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EK-FC R9-290X – Acetal + Backplate installed biggrin.gifWarning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Congrats! Welcome to the club :thumbsups

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Would getting a too large shim have any adverse effects? I can't think of any since it's in contact with a massive copper block. In some early posts someone mentioned that shims <1mm are too thin to be effective, but too thick might not screw it..

I meant to say 1mm, another member pointed out my mistake. There is no downside to a copper shim.
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Question.. I have (4) 290x, and (1) 290 that can unlock.. Right now, I'm running (1) 290x, and the unlockable one. I'm a newb to benching, so I don't really know what I'm doing. I've done some looking around and cannot find the answers I need..
My questions:
1) I am running a Rampage Black Edition, and I read in the manual that there are (1-4) swtiches on the board (next to reset button), that enable me to disable the PCI-E slots individually to help troubleshoot which card is acting up, without removing them. However, I'm wondering if I could also use this feature to benchmark each card individually? Is that the way to go about it? Or is there another way? I want to bench the unlockable card, then flash to 290x and see the difference.

2) I also want to bench my other (3) 290x, to find out their individual performance, and compare them. How do I go about this? Is there a quicker/easier way of doing this, than constantly disabling the PCI-E slot, restarting, and switching the card the monitor is plugged into?

3) Should I just use firestrike extreme to compare them? Or Unigine Valley? Or both?

4) What parameters should I record?
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I can guarantee you that you will not achieve the square flatness required to perfectly transfer heat to the die. Then again, if you have access to a machine shop that should not be too difficult.

that's what the 1mm copper plate is for? the solder makes contact between the plate and the heatpipes, the plate should already be perfectly flat to touch the die.
   
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Question.. I have (4) 290x, and (1) 290 that can unlock.. Right now, I'm running (1) 290x, and the unlockable one. I'm a newb to benching, so I don't really know what I'm doing. I've done some looking around and cannot find the answers I need..
My questions:
1) I am running a Rampage Black Edition, and I read in the manual that there are (1-4) swtiches on the board (next to reset button), that enable me to disable the PCI-E slots individually to help troubleshoot which card is acting up, without removing them. However, I'm wondering if I could also use this feature to benchmark each card individually? Is that the way to go about it? Or is there another way? I want to bench the unlockable card, then flash to 290x and see the difference.

2) I also want to bench my other (3) 290x, to find out their individual performance, and compare them. How do I go about this? Is there a quicker/easier way of doing this, than constantly disabling the PCI-E slot, restarting, and switching the card the monitor is plugged into?

3) Should I just use firestrike extreme to compare them? Or Unigine Valley? Or both?

4) What parameters should I record?

 

1) That sounds like an awesome feature.  If it disables the slot than yes,  I would imagine this would work.  If it doesn't I believe you could disconnect the PCI-E power cables, as these are needed for the card to turn on and display video.

 

2) It's been a long time since I ran multiple cards, so I'll give you an educated guess.  If disabling the PCI-E slots requires a reboot, then that is probably the route you're going to have to take.  Boots don't take that long these days anyhow with SSDs :)

 

3) Use whatever benchmarks you would like.  Anything 3DMark or Unigine will do, just depends on how much time you want to spend doing it.

 

4) Depends on how detailed you want to be.  If you're just looking for performance results, than the benchmark scores will do just fine.  For Unigine you could also record the min/max/avg frames per second if you wanted. 

 

In my build log I have a spreadsheet if you want to scope that out.  I recorded GPU/VRM temperatures for most of my benchmark runs as well.

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that's what the 1mm copper plate is for? the solder makes contact between the plate and the heatpipes, the plate should already be perfectly flat to touch the die.

To explain better here is a simple ascii diagram

heapipe-> | | | <-core

The first | is the heatpipes, then you have the shim, then the core. If the shim is soldered at even a slight angle - therefore it will not be 100% parallel to the core. The mounting screws will end up putting unequal pressure on one side/corner of the core and most likely cracking it. Hope this helps, since I don't feel like drawing.thumb.gif

When you use just TIM, it has give and will distribute due to clamping force evenly.

Here is what will end up:

http://sound.westhost.com/heatsink3.gif
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I have done what I can with cooling my GPUs with a large fan, and my top GPU performance is greatly improved, and I don't see any throttling while gaming with my 1030 stock clock anymore.

Anyway, depending on what I'm mining my top card can reach 90c+ still, and i would like to limit it because I feel that is too high.

Now I just set the GPU0 for 950mhz which does OK but sometimes then it goes into the low 80s so its hard to get it just right..

This CCC has the settings I want "Target GPU Temprature". from here -> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_r9_290_review_benchmarks,31.html
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

but this is what my CCC settings look like:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Anyone know why mine is different? I have 14.2 drivers. Is there any way to expose those additional sliders?

Thanks!
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To explain better here is a simple ascii diagram

heapipe-> | | | <-core

The first | is the heatpipes, then you have the shim, then the core. If the shim is soldered at even a slight angle - therefore it will not be 100% parallel to the core. The mounting screws will end up putting unequal pressure on one side/corner of the core and most likely cracking it. Hope this helps, since I don't feel like drawing.thumb.gif

When you use just TIM, it has give and will distribute due to clamping force evenly.

Here is what will end up:

http://sound.westhost.com/heatsink3.gif

oh that's what you meant, but yea you don't have that issue with solder either, provided its still hot, its more fluid then any TIM you can imagine. ever seen mercury?
of course though if you let the solder cool before pressing it to the heatsink, expect it to sit badly, or not stick entirely...

oh I actually just remembered, there was this old "TIM" for CPUs which was essential a low-melting solder, you sat it between the CPU and heatsink, let it heat up and it would liquify and spread across, damned if I can remember what it was called, though I don't think it would be suitable for this as these GPUs already run very hot, you would need a solder with a melting point of about 150-200C...
   
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Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Seagate Shingle 8TB EK Supremacy EVO + EK 290X R2 + backplate + EK-... Windows 10 Pro 4k 24" samung PLS freesync 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
1200p 24" samsung Corsair K70 Red Seasonic 1000W Platinum Raven RV01 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Corsair M60/M45 Corsair gigabyte dual-onboard audio HDMI 8ch LPCM 24@192k DAC 
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AMD AthlonII 640 x4 Gigabyte 880GM-USB3 nvidia GTX 460SE Corsair Dominator 2*2GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate 500GB some sony DVD burner stock, case has a nice side duct though Windows 7 home premium 64bit 
PowerCase
Arctic Cooling 550R Gigabyte mATX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Atom 230 some all-in-one Mini-ITX board Intel GMA 950 some 1GB stick 
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