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According to a few reviews, the MSI Gaming R9 290 and Sapphire R9 290 Tri-x are really on par. Users feedback look good for both card. Is there anything I should know about one of them? The MSI Gaming is consistently cheeper than the Sapphire even if MSI msrp is 469 vs 449 for Sapphire.
    
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According to a few reviews, the MSI Gaming R9 290 and Sapphire R9 290 Tri-x are really on par. Users feedback look good for both card. Is there anything I should know about one of them? The MSI Gaming is consistently cheeper than the Sapphire even if MSI msrp is 469 vs 449 for Sapphire.

  This is a good review to have a gander at  http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_gaming_oc_review,1.html

 

Not sure where the prices you gave are coming from though

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127773

 

(never mind, you are talking the 290's , not the 290X's)

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Extremely interesting review. Does seem like THE card to buy. Was originally planning to buy powercolor/sapphire r9 290, but MSI quality look higher and hynix ram.
    
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Extremely interesting review. Does seem like THE card to buy. Was originally planning to buy powercolor/sapphire r9 290, but MSI quality look higher and hynix ram.

 

seems so. all four of mine seem to be great OC'ers and run in the 70's under load with the twin Frozr. mine are going under water which should add some OC headroom.

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price at newegg.com are currently really good (469.99$) but ncix canada (no sales tax and free shipping) is still 549.99 (which seem way to high). Since this card has been out for only 2 month, almost as powerful as GTX 780ti, and nvidia is not looking a card anytime soon, I believe 499.99$ would be a good price??
    
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According to a few reviews, the MSI Gaming R9 290 and Sapphire R9 290 Tri-x are really on par. Users feedback look good for both card. Is there anything I should know about one of them? The MSI Gaming is consistently cheeper than the Sapphire even if MSI msrp is 469 vs 449 for Sapphire.

MSI Gaming is fine for single gpu gaming without much overclocking. Once you start raising clocks and vddc temps get out of hand. And based on a friend's experience they can't be crossfired, this card will heat-choke as the upper card. Problem is the fans max out at a really low rpm. Really quiet card at stock clocks though, albeit with temps I consider high for stock clocks.

The Sapphire Tri-X is the better card, it's second only to the Powercolor PCS+ for cooling. At stock clocks it will run 15-20c cooler than the MSI Gaming. Plenty of thermal overhead for overclocking. I have it as upper card in crossfire and it runs high 60s to low 70s in most gaming scenarios -- which for air cooled crossfire in a mid tower is godlike IMHO. Fans are loud though, once you crack 55% you won't be able to ignore them.

At Amazon the MSI Gaming can be had for $470, while the Tri-X is $499 and usually out of stock. The places that do carry the Tri-X charge $550ish.
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@Red1776 is running four of them on air at the moment, I believe he's having success.
    
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while my MSI twin Frozr Gaming R290X's  are going underwater as soon as the blocks get here, I have exceptional airflow through my case. I ran 4 x 6970 quadfire on air for quite a while not exceeding 85-88C.

 

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~~The Sapphire Tri-X is the better card, it's second only to the Powercolor PCS+ for cooling. At stock clocks it will run 15-20c cooler than the MSI Gaming. Plenty of thermal overhead for overclocking. I have it as upper card in crossfire and it runs high 60s to low 70s in most gaming scenarios

 neither the PCS nor the tri x run 15-20c below the MSI gaming card, or even close to that. The PCS runs @  68c under load, and the MSI Gaming series runs at 73C  secondly, there is more to OC headroom than a card running a few degree cooler.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_categories/videocards.html

 

Guru put them all thru the paces and the conclusion on performance, temps, OC are remarkably close. In fact the load dBA from the MSI is a touch quieter.


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neither the PCS nor the tri x run 15-20c below the MSI gaming card, or even close to that. The PCS runs @  68c under load, and the MSI Gaming series runs at 73C  secondly, there is more to OC headroom than a card running a few degree cooler.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_categories/videocards.html

Guru put them all thru the paces and the conclusion on performance, temps, OC are remarkably close. In fact the load dBA from the MSI is a touch quieter.

I have a PCS+ and Tri-X, a buddy had a pair of MSI Gaming (he returned them due to temps), we have the same case setup, Define R4s. The PCS+ won't hit 68 at load at stock. It won't come close. You won't hit 68c even with a beefy overclock. Here is Far Cry 3 all night, ambient 22, with a pretty good overclock (1170 on the core, up from a factory overclock of 1040) and high fan rpm:


If I run close to stock with a 1090 oc, I can turn fans to basically silent (40%) and get temps like this:


It's not just me, go check out temps in the Powercolor thread, nobody is hitting 68c on the core without a big overclock and vddc adjust. Meanwhile my buddy's MSI Gaming in single gpu would game at low 70s core, high 70s/low 80s vrm1. The Tri-X isn't as good as the PCS+. But it's pretty darned good too. Here is my crossfire temp picture after a 50 loop of Metro LL bench maxed, ~22-23 ambient:



Gaming temps, Far Cry 3 for 3+ hours, ~22-23 ambient:



I'm surprised you're able to run quad MSI Gaming xfire on air. What are your temps like?

Anyway my buddy's MSI Gaming in crossfire always hit 90c on the top card at game load in minutes and throttled. He's not the only one with that experience. I'm not ragging on the card, like I said it's fine as a single card gpu and it's quiet. And it's the smallest 290 by a big margin which is nice. But I think your experience is aberrant. Over at OCUK there was a big thread about MSI Gaming and high temps which is what made me wait for the PCS+ and Tri-X, unlike my impatient friend.

Sorry for the long thread, the hwinfo screens take up a lot of room, but I stand by what I said: Powercolor PCS+ runs 15-20c cooler than the MSI Gaming, and the Tri-X is not too far behind. This PCS+ cooler, is quite possibly the best gpu cooler ever made. I certainly have never owned a card that gets temps like this.
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Anyway my buddy's MSI Gaming in crossfire always hit 90c on the top card at game load in minutes and throttled. He's not the only one with that experience. I'm not ragging on the card, like I said it's fine as a single card gpu and it's quiet. And it's the smallest 290 by a big margin which is nice. But I think your experience is aberrant. Over at OCUK there was a big thread about MSI Gaming and high temps which is what made me wait for the PCS+ and Tri-X, unlike my impatient friend.

that is also my experience with the MSI gamers. I am pretty disappointed with the MSI gamers in crossfire. I have MSI GTX 760 twin frozrs and they are great.

The top card just seems like its not able to cool itself at all.

I put a 200MM fan blowing directly on the cards the 2 120mm cans in the top of the case to draw heat out and equalize the airflow.

If i open my case while the cards are under load the temp of the top card instantly shoots up.

My theory is the the twin frozr just do not have enough static pressure to cool in limited space like crossfire. They probably just fans with a different blade profile.

I would recommend some other card for less headache. You can get MSI gamers to work in crossfire without throttling, but its going to take some engineering.

On the other hand, my first card was a Gigabyte Windforce and it died after several hours of use.
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